Golden Daemons and countries.

[EricJ]

Here is what I find so funny, taken from my own experiences.

I paint up Ramos here, which incorperates some innovative and interesting and eyecatching elements. The next thing I know, a certain european forum freaks out for about a month, taking pretty much every step to discredit the work. Ok, so they're seeming completely unwilling to accept something good can come from "not one of their own"

THEN, there is all this talk about how painting in the US is so inferior to France.

Um, don't take this the wrong way, but perhaps when someone makes it so clear that they're completely unwilling to accept merit in painting coming form the US, it sort of discredits the 2nd point after taking so much time and effort to prove to everyone just how bias that opinion is.

I'm not saying LA was better than France the other weekend, I'm just saying that maybe it's not an issue that needs to be posted across every forum to stroke egos across the European continent?

I don't know, maybe the fact that this has become such a big topic is because the US is seen as threatening? What is the cause of this sudden need for public displays of European Ego stroking across the forums? That's sort of the more interesting question at this point.

[Spacemunkie]

It has nothing to do with ego stroking. From the pics that get posted of the entries in all the GD competitions globally, generally speaking it's a fact! What happened over at Creafigs was aimed directly at you Eric, not your country.

If I had to name the best GD entering painters at the moment, my list would include Allan C, Kiril Kanaev, J A Gillois, Monsieur Bonamant (much as it galls me...) and yes, probably Ms Melnik.

The evidence is pretty irrefutable. Multiple Demons from a range of competitions against the best there is.

Nobody's said that the painting in the US is inferior, just the level of competition at some of the GD's. Honestly, it's some of you Yanks who have made a big song and dance about it and are spitting all the fire and brimstone stuff. The best GD comp around at the moment judging from the pics I see is the French one. It leaves UKGD for dead too I reckon.

[King Ulrik Flamebeard]

The evidence speaks for itself.

How many forums have you spammed with this post KUF???

Spammed? Er, nay. No spamming by me :angel: I posted it on maybe six or seven forums, how can I be expected to see rhe thoughts of the multitude of gamers online from but one or two forums? ;)

Nice to see people are being polite though, seems some cannot or just plainly will not. *shrugs*

KU

[Spacemunkie]

lol

It's EVERYWHERE!!!!

[EricJ]

um, if you are better, and then you point out to everyone you're better, that's what I call ego stroking. The fact France was better than LA isn't even a question! The question is what is the need of people to point it out over and over again when it's already so clear. My answer was ego stroking in this case, but I'm open to other answers.

But then it may just be our friend the King here trying to stir things up. But the threads over on cmon started before him.

Ultimately I'd like to work on increasing the level of work in the US GD's. I have to admit I wasn't very impressed overall with the competition in LA. It was far better than the photos, but still quite weak. On top of that, the judging was so utterly **** poor (of course I'm bias here). So basically, despite it all, I want to keep going to US GD's, and maybe try to work on the level of competition, and having so many voices talking about how **** poor worthless US comps are, is not helping things change for the better.

[King Ulrik Flamebeard]

Not quiet everywhere. I am sure I missed a few forums.. ;) If you want it everywhere.. :P

KU

[supervike]

Quite honestly I have lost most of my interest in the GD stuff, regardless of what country it is in.

The silly infighting, whining, bitching, and moaning makes almost all of it unpalatable. The incredible egos (on both sides of the Atlantic) is pretty disheartening.

Objectively, I think the European GDs tend to be of much higher quality. The imagination, the skill, the competition. There could be many reasons for that. One reason could be the French really rock at that art stuff. Another could be
that it isn't taken as seriously here yet. Mini-painting, for all its strides it has made, is still in its infancy in America. I don't know this for a fact, but it seems Europeans are a generation or two ahead of what is being done in America.

[Spacemunkie]

The silly infighting, whining, bitching, and moaning makes almost all of it unpalatable. The incredible egos (on both sides of the Atlantic) is pretty disheartening...

Well said. :thumb:

GD usually smells bad too :D

[EricJ]

Well said. :thumb:

GD usually smells bad too :D

Oddly enough, LA was quite well ventilated! I didn't catch much if any distastely body oder! Although it was quite smoggy, so that's the air that the place was ventilated with...but we were in LA after all...

[Spacemunkie]

The last one I went to was horrendous. The mini displays were down on the bottom level in a really enclosed space. By lunchtime the smell was absolutely aweful. It was stupidly busy as well. Horrible. Didn't go to the one at the NEC last year. Hope it's a better venue, I might venture down this year as it's near to my parents' house.