Stitched Together - Gamble your Life

[Flyingwhale]

This came up today while playing with a stitched together.


- Use Gamble your Life
- WP vs WP duel
- I lose the duel
- I flip for damage against the stitched together and flip moderate damage
- I cheat it down to weak


The question came up was that should my opponent be the one flipping for damage if I lose Gamble your Life WP duel or since it's my ability I am flipping for damage against myself, giving me the ability to cheat it down.


Thanks!

[Alex]

Winner of the Wp duel makes the damage flip againt opponent using the difference as though it were a combat total. So could be negative or double negative flip (which would not be cheatable), or even or positive flip (which would be per the card saying it is cheatable.)

[Flyingwhale]

Thank you!! Clears it up.

[EnternalVoid]

And if anyone questions it in your group you can point them to the FAQ where it they put this up *it got asked alot*. It is on the FAQ portion on the right side about halfway down

[Tiaden]

Yep, the more confusing part is the last part of the last sentence of the action. "... , which may be cheated."

Damage rolls can be cheated when they are straight or have a positive twist anyway. And according to FAQ and the model updates it was intended that way. So the last part of the sentence adds just no information at all and is just usefull for confusion reasons. ^^

[Sybaris]

It still vague to me, because at first it seemed an out of the loop duel. Wp vs Wp, looser receives a straight damage flip.

Since it is not a Strike or a Spell, do you use the same duel chart to calculate modifiers?

Due to the major drawback of the talent (far more than a normal spell), i assumed it was a straight dmg flip, but hard-to-wound models would indeed get a on it (or 2 depending on the ability), hence the precision from the FAQ...

Course i may be confused

[notmikehill]

It still vague to me, because at first it seemed an out of the loop duel. Wp vs Wp, looser receives a straight damage flip.

Since it is not a Strike or a Spell, do you use the same duel chart to calculate modifiers?

Due to the major drawback of the talent (far more than a normal spell), i assumed it was a straight dmg flip, but hard-to-wound models would indeed get a on it (or 2 depending on the ability), hence the precision from the FAQ...

Course i may be confused

Since it's an ability that causes damage like an attack it's to be treated like an attack. So for example, models with hard to wound, easy to wound and any modifier to your flip would affect the end flip. The "which may be cheated" seems like an oversight in design. Pandora's Self Loathing spell says it may not be cheated. By leaving the last sentence out of the stitched ability it would be obvious that it can be cheated, but still holds to the same cheat modifiers as other attacks.

[DeusInnomen]

Yup, you're still calculating the flips required based on the difference as you would with a normal damage flip.

[psychocamel]

Better wording would be something like:

This and target model perform a wp duel, the winner uses those results like an attack score causing */*/* damage.

That's just off the top of my head though, basically there's just some wordings here and there that could be cleaned up a bit IMO

[Metalhed]

Winner of the Wp duel makes the damage flip againt opponent using the difference as though it were a combat total. So could be negative or double negative flip (which would not be cheatable), or even or positive flip (which would be per the card saying it is cheatable.)

Can you help me with where to find that in the rules? I have been playing it that way for Kaeris' Immolate (a spell with no gun or claw symbol), but our dreamer player seemed to think that and the gamble were a straight flip on damage. This seemed crazy to me as both have some serious damage output.