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08-10-2012, 02:04 AM #1Rank: Touched
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Can you Obey an Obey?
I feel like this is a stupid newb question, but I feel compelled to ask. Hypothetically speaking, could you Obey another Obey command? The wording on the spell says "can only be cast once per activation." Does that mean that written instance of that spell, or the spell Obey and all spells named Obey can only be cast once per activation? I feel like for the sake of fairness it's the second reading but I can't seem to find any indication either way.
Hypothetical Example Situation: I have aZoraida and a Doppleganger. aZoraida has used Obey for her activation. The Doppleganger activates and takes aZoraida's Obey and CA stat. Doppleganger casts Obey on aZoraida, I cheat so the Obey is successfully cast. Could I then force aZoraida to cast Obey, theoretically giving her a second chance to use Obey with access to the Conduit ability of her presumably summoned Voodoo Doll and trigger for Master of Manipulation?
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08-10-2012, 02:06 AM #2Rodent Overlord

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The answer is yes you can obey to obey, but no you can't do your example as you can't obey a Master and aZoraida counts as a Master. Oh and I also believe you can't copy abilities off an Avatar.


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08-10-2012, 02:16 AM #3Rank: Touched
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Ahhh, wasn't aware you couldn't Obey a Master. Was that an errata or am I missing something in the text that's glaringly obvious?
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08-10-2012, 02:17 AM #4
Good to know. From the way Obey is written, I would have thought you were still in the first model's activation. Hence, the Obey limit had been reached even if it was an Obeyed minion (such as a non companioned Enslaved Nephalim) casting it (effectively 3 Obeys).
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08-10-2012, 02:17 AM #5Rodent Overlord

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You are missing something in the text.


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08-10-2012, 02:18 AM #6Rank: Touched
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Mind if I get a page number from a book? I wanna make sure I'm not missing anything else.
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08-10-2012, 02:20 AM #7Rodent Overlord

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it's on every obey. I believe.


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08-10-2012, 02:23 AM #8Rank: Touched
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Hmmmm, both my book and my card list the text as "target model" immediately takes the action, and can only be cast once per activation. Did it get reprinted and I've been basing it off of an old print? I know I can't Conduit a Master but I didn't know I couldn't cast Obey on them.
Edit:I checked Perdita's entry in the book and it says the same. But when I check aZoraida's it does specifically say non-Master, so I'm thinking I just have old prints of the book and the Zoraida card. Now I'm glad I asked, I never would have thought to look at aZoraida's Obey. Thanks for the info Ratty!Last edited by Setoth; 08-10-2012 at 02:28 AM.
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08-10-2012, 02:28 AM #9
You must have an out of date card. The v2 card for Zoraida has "Target non-Master model" as the first sentence in Obey along with the Twisting Fates aZoraida book entry:
http://www.wyrd-games.net/StatCards/Neverbornv2.pdfLast edited by GrAYFoX; 08-10-2012 at 02:56 AM. Reason: Spelling
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08-10-2012, 02:29 AM #10Rank: Twisted
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Check the v2 cards on the site. I had a similar problem. v1 Zoraida just says "Target model", which is the card I have. v2 says "Non-master".
However, I am also not aware of where it says you cannot copy abilities from avatars. Any link/page on that Ratty? Have I missed something?
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