Three Seamus Changes... Please?

[Dorian]

• Face of Death change to 3 Anathema -> 14
  

It would need to be written:

Face of Death change to 3 Terrifying -> 14 + Anathema

Anathema is not terrifying it just means your terrifying can't be ignored except by another model with anathema.

[Pierowmaniac]

Seamus to me is one of the best resser masters for, Distract, primarly because excessive bleeding can keep the enemy master from being significant and therefore not scoring for distract. However to get it off you have to put him in danger, which was an issue prior to avatar.

DAMN I missed that last week, had distract and it didn't cross my mind :( .... though I did have to try and hit Lilith :p

[Gruesome]

Seamus to me is one of the best resser masters for, Distract, primarly because excessive bleeding can keep the enemy master from being significant and therefore not scoring for distract.

If you can make the enemy master insignificant, that could be cool...
But you are standing in melee with them for that trigger. Personally, I would rather be McMourning standing next to the enemy master because them being insignificant is not as cool as them being dead.

I can appreciate that we all like Seamus. That's why there are 5 pages of discussion on him in less than a day. But, it does sort of feel like people are making cases for "Seamus can do this" as being the same as "there is no rezzer master that could do this better than Seamus".

But, maybe I am wrong...

How about this. If the original changes, or some combination of changes discussed since the OP were implemented, would someone win Gencon playing Seamus at least half his games?

[Razhem]

I'm in the camp that a cache of 4, necrotic ministrations working on everything (come on, the guy can get a hardon from a zombie doing it's final thud but not from a spirit howling in despair or a soulless becoming a bunch of smoke or a construct going out with a satisfying kaboom?) and taking out the gun from Live for Pain. That and changing his scheme into something doable, those 4 things wuld give him a big fat spike. He wouldn't be Kirai, but at least I would look at him with a much better eye than right now, recently started McMourning and good god the difference in efficiency between the two is outright baffling.

[Blog]

If you can make the enemy master insignificant, that could be cool...
But you are standing in melee with them for that trigger. Personally, I would rather be McMourning standing next to the enemy master because them being insignificant is not as cool as them being dead.

I can appreciate that we all like Seamus. That's why there are 5 pages of discussion on him in less than a day. But, it does sort of feel like people are making cases for "Seamus can do this" as being the same as "there is no rezzer master that could do this better than Seamus".

But, maybe I am wrong...

How about this. If the original changes, or some combination of changes discussed since the OP were implemented, would someone win Gencon playing Seamus at least half his games?

After he does excessive bleeding, the belle that he womanizered can lure him out of the melee. And if the enemy master has activated already, that is even better.

Him and McM still achieve the strat, just by different means. Yes if McM gets a hold of it, there is a good chance it will be dead after he is finished. Seamus can just make it insignificant, STILL denying 4vp. McM after a flurry of attacks might miss a couple and then what? He missed a couple and the enemy master is still alive. All Seamus needs is a high crow and a high flip on a soulstone to get a trigger that just flat out denies 4vp.

Both Methods are effective.

[Fetid Strumpet]

Not much survives a channeled + SS cast of dissection however.

[DarcXON]

Not much survives a channeled + SS cast of dissection however.

Cheers! Alongside a Levi Punch I fear getting hit by Dissection. Granted you need to hit, but either of them might as well say

Useless/Meh/Holy crap! on their damage profile. The only other things I'm wary of are Slumber Trigger from Coppelius and Mental Anguish from Pandora.

[Silas Cordell]

I'm in the camp that a cache of 4, necrotic ministrations working on everything (come on, the guy can get a hardon from a zombie doing it's final thud but not from a spirit howling in despair or a soulless becoming a bunch of smoke or a construct going out with a satisfying kaboom?) and taking out the gun from Live for Pain. That and changing his scheme into something doable, those 4 things wuld give him a big fat spike. He wouldn't be Kirai, but at least I would look at him with a much better eye than right now, recently started McMourning and good god the difference in efficiency between the two is outright baffling.

Seconded (or thirded or fourthed or whatever).

I like these changes. They are simple, elegant, and provide much more benefit than they first appear to.

Cache 5 would be nice (hey, so would cache 8, but that'll never happen), but I think 4 would be reasonable. I don't feel that Seamus is meant to be a "huge ranged threat," so I don't really like the idea of removing the 1 shot limit from the pistol, mostly as an aesthetic thing. As far as Anathema goes, I really don't want to ever see that on something that isn't an avatar. Some other reworking of Terrifying or Morale duels I would look at, but I think that Anathema is something that should be reserved to keep avatars special.

[hippieshopper]

Not much survives a channeled + SS cast of dissection however.

I dunno about all that...minions maybe...but if it's contain power...
Against most masters, who can also use SS, getting a severe is not likely. Most of the time you will be at a :-flip and that is no bueno for McM.

Also what if you do get 10 damage, most of the time they will burn a SS and mitigate it down. Then that lethal damage is now mean...but survivable while the dear doctor is very tired and no longer activated.

[CannonFodder]

I don't think they will make an errata to buff a model. Nerfing for balance is one thing, but buffing opens a whole can of worms rules wise, because then they would be expected to do it for all master eventually.

But I do see them making a new models to boost a crew (ie Snowstorm and Silent one for Raspy). A 1 SS totem that lets you bring your Avatar for free, counts as copy cat killer for Scheme purposes, and will survive a manifest would fit this. Currently I never see the Copycat killer in play, and they've already made a second totem for Ramos to fix him.