Zoraida Proper Manners and the old Attack vs attack problem...

[Keltheos]

Yes, yes you have.

The reason I posted it as a Q/A is to add to the FAQ. The manual also states that Spells with the ranged icon are affected by ranged modifiers (page 50), so that Attack Flip modifier for cover would affect the Casting Flip as well.

[Ratty]

Really, how can you make this so complicated.

The only time you get an Attack Flip is when you make a Strike against a model. This is the ONLY time.

When casting with a icon you get the same cover modifiers that an Attack Flip against that model would get. But it is still not an Attack Flip as it's not a Strike.

[Jonas Albrecht]

Really, how can you make this so complicated.

Do you really want to be aggressive and then followed it up by stating that something that isn't an Attack Flip will still get the same modifiers as something that is an Attack Flip?

[Ausplosions]

That ruling still does not state whether or spell are affected by Proper Manners.

[Ratty]

I stated on Page 2 of this discussion

I will get that looked into. The v2 card definitely says Attack Flips but the original book has them lower case.

I'll get back to you. But for the moment. Consider it Attack Flips and ignore the Channeling bit.

[Keltheos]

Do you really want to be aggressive and then followed it up by stating that something that isn't an Attack Flip will still get the same modifiers as something that is an Attack Flip?

Do you mean this?

Modifiers that affect melee or ranged attacks affect these Spells as well.

(p. 50)

While I can see some people not reading that as "Attack Flip = Casting Flip for ranged attack Spells" it is there.

[Ausplosions]

Do you mean this?

(p. 50)

While I can see some people not reading that as "Attack Flip = Casting Flip for ranged attack Spells" it is there.

Do spells then also suffer from modifiers that affect Attack Flips?

[Ratty]

OK, there are a few issues in the book. Here we go.

• Proper Manners should say
  

  All Attack and Casting Flips made by enemy models targeting this model, which are not Focused or Channeled, receive

• Attack Flip only ever refers to flips made by the attacker performing a Strike.
  
  
• Spells with the icon take the modifier for cover, ranged attacks, Casting Flips and spells, never Attack Flips
  
• Spells with the icon take the modifier for melee attacks, Casting Flips and spells, never Attack Flips
  
  
• The Chart Should say

  Ranged Modifiers
  

  Target in Soft Cover	Attacker's flip recieves
  Target in Hard Cover	Attacker's flip recieves . Target receives Armor +1

[tadaka]

Nm did not see that new post

Thanks for the fix nice to have that cleared up.

[Ausplosions]

Yay! Thanks for clearing this up Ratty, and great job.