Rats to SPA's

[graeme27uk]

Hello all,

I don't have the v3 Leveticus card, so I may be wrong.

But, is there any way that Leveticus can turn Rats into SPA's if there is a Rat Catcher or Hamelin within 6" for Voracious Rats (VR)?

1) Death's Touch - this would kill the rat so spawning another from VR

2) Desolation - would kill and respawn rats

3) Necrotic Unmaking - Kills rats, so spawning another rat and no SPA as nothing else can be summoned from the kill

4) Unnatural Wasting - would not kill a rat anyway

5) Entropic Transformation - would sacrifice a rat, so another would not spawn, but would not summon a SPA as the rat is not a Construct. At most it would summon a Hollow Waif up to the max allowed.


So as such there is no way of creating SPA's from rats with VR in effect. Or am I missing something?

[magicpockets]

You can't, and you wouldn't get a waif in 5) either

[Judgeman]

You can't, and you wouldn't get a waif in 5) either

I have a question about this. Let me preface by saying that I only have access to the books, so if this has been changed on the cards, then forgive me. Since the rat is being sacrificed, and voracious rats only comes into effect if the rat is killed, why wouldn't Leviticus be able to summon a Hollow Waif if he has room to?

I've never played a Leviticus crew, but plan on picking one up during Gen Con, and will be facing a Hamelin crew. This will come up in our games eventually, so might as well clarify it now.

[magicpockets]

Because Voracious Rats says no models can be summoned other than rats, you don't need to get a rat for it to come into effect

[Judgeman]

Because Voracious Rats says no models can be summoned other than rats, you don't need to get a rat for it to come into effect

Gotcha. Thanks for the information.

[Stonedog-7]

Ok, so as it's a sacrifice you wouldn't get a rat, but the Levi player wouldn't get an SPA either... am i understanding that right?

[Judgeman]

Ok, so as it's a sacrifice you wouldn't get a rat, but the Levi player wouldn't get an SPA either... am i understanding that right?

The Levi player wouldn't get an SPA anyway, since the rats are living and not constructs. But, essentially, yes. This is now my understanding of how this would work.

[Scurry]

voracious rats says "no other models can be summoned as a result of the model being killed."

since entropic transformtion sacrifices the target i think you would get a hollow waif

[magicpockets]

^^ In that case you would, didn't know the wording was that precise