Push, Push effect, Severe, Climbable

[Poltron]

Hi all!

After reading the rules for Push and Push effect in the rule manual, it's state that from certains Push you dont get any terrain severe penalty, and from other Push effect you do.

What differenciate the 2 types of Push, when would you get the Severe penalty?

Also, can a model climb as part of a Push? Snowstorm pushing Rasputina 2" on a climbable wall, would she need to climb it?

Thanks for your help!

[egoon]

Firstly, I'd advise you to read the errata: http://www.malifaux.com/Errata.php#PushSec and http://www.malifaux.com/Errata.php#TowardSec.

Basically 'Push to within' and 'Push to base to base' ignores terrain penalties.

I think you can push up climbable surfaces. When trying to push towards a model climbing is allowed I think.

[Poltron]

Yup, already read those errata. They only talk about Push that Place models though, however in the rulebook some Push effects seems to not ignore severe terrain. I'm just wondering when you take this penalty into account.

Zoraida's pulse, Steamborg's push, Snowstorm etc all seems like Push that would suffer from Severe penalty, but then again, reading both paragraphs in the rulebook I'm not so sure.

Also from the Errata:
Directly toward / away from something move as far as the effect requires in a straightline. Models will stop this move if they come into contact with other intervening models or terrain they could not move through or over.

If you must climb because of a Push but can't climb enough to pass over the terrain/obstacle, are you closer to the target than at the start of your movement, been that we normally don't count vertical distance between model to be closer/farther? If not, then you could choose not to climb right?

Thanks for your inputs!

[DaemonChild]

I think all pushes take terrain into consideration really. It's just that some pushes have been errata'd to place effects (ie push into base contact) and some pushes don't push a certain number of inches, but rather to a certain place (push to within X" or push until you are further than X" away), regardless of how many inches that is.
If you use Zoraida and her Repulsive-spell as an example, it says "Push all models directly away until they reach the maximum range of this spell". So you need to push all models until they are 6" away. Regardless if you stand on severe terrain or not, you have to push until you are that far away.

But any push that says a certain number of inches is affected by terrain, but models can ofc ignore that penalty if they have scout or are spirits or some such just as usual.

[Q'iq'el]

As far as I understand the problem, some Pushes are distance limited and as such have to go in the straight line towards the target - if you have to go through severe terrain to achieve it, you have to take the penalties.

Pushes to within x" or to b2b contact on the other hand do not have any distance limit - you can walk around the entire table if you want. These do not have to follow a straight line and can go around the severe terrain - this is the reason why you don't take penalties.

My understanding may be outdated though.

[Alex]

As far as I understand the problem, some Pushes are distance limited and as such have to go in the straight line towards the target - if you have to go through severe terrain to achieve it, you have to take the penalties.

Pushes to within x" or to b2b contact on the other hand do not have any distance limit - you can walk around the entire table if you want. These do not have to follow a straight line and can go around the severe terrain - this is the reason why you don't take penalties.

My understanding may be outdated though.

Yeah, this is how it used to work, but now those last two are Place effects now, so you do not walk all across the board, do not pass Go and do not collect 200 corpse counters. Sorry McMourning!