So many rats??? rule help.

[Omenbringer]

No, currently no ETA. Hamelin is a very complicated master, and one thing Wyrd has shown they do well, at least in my opinion, is that when they undertake to do something for the benefit of the game they are careful how they proceed...

Hamelin's mechanics, especially in how he interacts with his crew are complicated enough that altering them is a process that is going to take a while. Wyrd has shown they have a good track record in this so I'm prepared to wait.

This is very true, Wyrd has a lot of recommendations (from players such as Magicpockets, Sandwich, myself and many others) in threads and posts that have been made since his release to digest and test to insure that the minimal ammount of changes have to be made (and that they dont have to be made again).

Because of his crew interactions (and his vast hiring pool, which will only get bigger with each subsequint release) he is difficult to fix without hamstringing.

Honestly I think there are only a few things that really need fixing to tone him down to resonable levels (and most are interactions with his "vanilla" crew list).

[ravenborne]

Can't wait for him to get an errata. I will be buying him as soon as it is out.

[Trevelyan]

Can't wait for him to get an errata. I will be buying him as soon as it is out.

I've got him now. The biggest complaint I've had from other people is the time it takes to activate the rats.

[ravenborne]

My main reason for waiting is that I have no idea how many rats to buy after his errata, and also I don't need anything else that slows my games down.

[Sybaris]

If you want the precise words;

"6. Never fear, Hamelin and Nekima will get their turn. We wanted this out first. ;)"

I can't wait for Nekima, but i totally agree with Hamelin being quite the annoyance too.

Source:
First post in http://www.wyrd-games.net/showthread...n-Malifaux-com

[VBGames]

Playing Hamelin is one of the fastest masters I've come across. He's so straight forward imho. What slows everyone down? Even if I slaughter a pack a couple times to get a lot of attacks, it goes so fast...Impetuous, attack, resolve, next rat, rinse, repeat. quick and easy. Not trolling, just don't understand.

[Kadeton]

Playing Hamelin is one of the fastest masters I've come across. He's so straight forward imho. What slows everyone down? Even if I slaughter a pack a couple times to get a lot of attacks, it goes so fast...Impetuous, attack, resolve, next rat, rinse, repeat. quick and easy. Not trolling, just don't understand.

There's no slowdown in the decision-making, no. The options are so limited that deciding what to do with the rats takes basically no time at all.

What takes the time is flipping all the cards, I've found. 8-12 rats attacking 2-3 times (over multiple death-renewals) with positive twists to everything flip a heck of a lot of cards, and that genuinely takes time. It's also quite tedious for the opponent to see his models slowly and inevitably nibbled to death while they spend 5 minutes just making Df flips.

[VBGames]

I've waited longer for Rasputinas Overpowers, Or Ortega family companion activations, both of which vaporize groups of models. Of course I don't run my rats in a pack that large either. I can see what you're saying, but in my head it boils down to 'he took a long time to kill my guys'. Besides, three rat hits+bleeding disease drops most models. Why even run them that large?

I suppose this is just a prime example of how new I am to the game and I'm not yet seeing the subtle differences.

[The Godlyness]

is there anyway to kill hamlin in a shared contain power when playing opheila? cause him being a bully says no. (well maybe pere exploding twice) or lenny i guess....sad days.

[omnivision6]

is there anyway to kill hamlin in a shared contain power when playing opheila? cause him being a bully says no. (well maybe pere exploding twice) or lenny i guess....sad days.

I would use a different Outcast master. Cause you play Factions in Malifaux, not Masters/Henchmen.