So many rats??? rule help.

[Kadeton]

I've waited longer for Rasputinas Overpowers, Or Ortega family companion activations, both of which vaporize groups of models. Of course I don't run my rats in a pack that large either. I can see what you're saying, but in my head it boils down to 'he took a long time to kill my guys'. Besides, three rat hits+bleeding disease drops most models. Why even run them that large?

I usually start with 6. ;)

What I've found is that with things like Overpower and Companion, you still feel like you can affect the outcome through judicious cheating of cards or use of soulstones, because the damage comes in big chunks. When you're attacked by a rat pack, there's almost no point in cheating (if Nix isn't around and you can cheat at all) and soulstones are a waste, because the attacks you negate are just followed up with more attacks and you'll die in the end anyway. This makes the process very boring, whereas the other situations are exciting because the outcome is much more variable.

[Toxic4Mosh]

lol well I'm fine with the Hamlin mechanic myself. it's cool to watch ( the first time ) but after that it gets old quickly. all I want is a simple cap, saying hey you stop flipping cards till you hit red joker it's annoying and very unsportsmanlike. maybe a cap of 3 rat rotations per rat killed through the same effect. not fussed if a rat dies 6 times through various things but loosing a willpower 12 duel with double negative and taking damage through an alp and pandora when you re-shuffle your deck for each rat. if he had the joker in hand it would have taken about 40 minutes to flip 3 cards over 10

[VBGames]

Opps, sry for hijacking your thread. I agree that is kind of crazy. Until they do change anything, my FLGS usually just agree that eventually, one will pass the test, so we ignore the effect as a Gentlemen's Agreement.

I recently had a slightly similar situation where a flamewall blocked my rats. We basically agreed that the rat would just eventually respawn on the other side of it, and skipped right to that placement, instead of walking through the whole process.

[kasin666]

new rats come into game paralized might work.

[mpangelu]

VB:

As far as Hamlin goes and running him, its fast. But explaining to people who haven't seen how he works why your getting infinite amounts of rats and healing up your crew with no trouble, and them seeing how he works around wound enducers (alps I know) it can bog things down if you go step by step. Also a friend of mine and myself really like to understand whats going on and why when we do interactions, so we will usually take our time with it.