Are coryphee really worth it?

[Barnaberible]

Ok, so I hardly ever see a collette list that dosent contain coryphee, but are they really worth the cost? If they are so good then why are they never in lists for other masters and for 14 ss they are quite a chunk in a 35 ss list.

I know they have synergy with colletteand particularly cassie but hey if cassie and a duet are so good for 23ss then why aren't they appearing in ramos lists who is notorisly slow.

For the 23 Ss that the trio cost between them there are so many other options for the showgirls, so why so much love for them?

Any thoughts?

[merlinman]

well the duet can use soulstones when they use their 0 action and cassy can when hired by collete. So duet might hog some SS away from ramos? i never thought about it but i might try to see how a list like that would go

[Mike3838]

The Coryphee duet is one of the best models in the game, that much is pretty undisputed.

I think the reasons you don't see them in every other crew are

A) Thematic. People who want to play Ramos are fans of Steampunk and mechanical spiders. If they wanted showgirls they'd probably just start with Colette. Despite it sometimes not being optimal, the desire for your crew to have a theme is strong
B) Some of the Coryphee's best abilities cone out of synergy with other showgirls. That's not to say they're not powerful in other crews, but they're at their best with Colette.

Mike

[Q'iq'el]

First of all, they appear in other masters' lists quite often. One of the best Arcanist minion to take for almost every master (I suppose Tina may be the exception here, but I don't know her well enough).

The major reason why they are so good is the combination of speed and resilience. They are very hard to kill and so fast, that they can complete some Schemes and Strategies within 2-3 turns with no opposition (unless the opponent dedicates considerable chunk of his forces to stopping them, but that's to their crew's advantage too).

Their damage output isn't as high as some other expensive models, but in Malifaux mobility and resilience are worth more than pure damage output.


The only reasons not to take them are either fluff (don't fit your master's theme) or relative power level (don't want to discourage newbies).

[pixelante]

Well if your gonna take the Coryphee you want to take Cassandra because the synergy is great. In order to use Cassandra to her fullest potential you need Colette.

[merlinman]

Actions speak loader than words, unless your beating the crap out of a mime of course

is it supposed to be Louder or loader? and mime or mine? lol sorry if off topic :o

[Barnaberible]

Well if your gonna take the Coryphee you want to take Cassandra because the synergy is great. In order to use Cassandra to her fullest potential you need Colette.

That's what I would have thought, so if coryphee are one of the best models in the game then you need a 23 ss investment for cassie too.

So are we saying that all collette lists should include coryphee and cassie? (as they are great at everything)

Or, is there some love for replacing that massive outlay with something else, there are people who would argue that von schill is the best model in the game (for 1 ss more than cassie) and you could get a good kaeris build in for 23 ss

Cassie does lose a bit of effect when taken out of a colette crew (use ss and understudy would be less effective) but if they are that good then it's not much of a handicap surely (or is it, I've never tried)

Personally I always take the duet but are there any players out there who don't?

[edonil]

I wouldn't say that the Coryphee and Cassandra have to be together. If you're going to bring Cassandra, yeah, you'll want the Coryphee. But the Coryphee certainly don't need Cassie. If you're running Colette then absolutely bring those 23 points, but the Coryphee will work fine at their role of crazy distraction/tank/objective grabber without Cassie.

[Sholto]

With both the Duet and Cassandra being vulnerable to sustained attack, having a Master around who can swap them out of trouble with ease, and do it twice in a Turn (with Reactivate), is priceless. This synergy is one of the big reasons why those two do not show up in other Master's crews.

But while they are both great models, I think any Colette player should drop them from their crews now and then to try out other models (like Von Schill, Kaeris, Killjoy etc) and see how this changes how the Showgirls play. Not only does it stop the crew feeling stale, but it can help you play the basic Showgirls crew better, having seen how the models function without all the very deep synergy they have when they are all together.

[LastDinosaur]

Talking about your local meta?

The Coryphée works fine with Rasputina. Ramos aswell. Can't speak of Marcus, but don't see why not, as long as you don't give up on beast minions entirely with him.

As a December player I wouldn't bother with Cassandra though, massive investment and our core is already elitist enough, really need some cheaper activations if you take the Coryphée.

Note that strategy and board matters alot when deciding a list for December, Rasputinas inherent problem is her speed, but she doesn't always need it, and certainly not always in the amounts that the Coryphée brings.