B2B with Obscuring Terrain.

[Heartsbane]

Just a quick question to resolve a dispute some players are having at my LGS.

If a model is in B2B with obscuring terrain that's less than 3 inches wide, can an opposing model target it. The rules state that you cannot draw LOS completely through obscuring terrain, but if your target is in B2B, can you see him?

Also, would this be any different if the obscuring terrain was a 3inch aura, like Snow Storm or Stiched Together have. Can they be Targeted if they have these Aura's up from a model outside the aura?

Thanks in advance.

[Lucidicide]

3" auras do not block LoS to the generating model.

If a model is in base to base with a terrain piece, then I would say it's touching that terrain. Because of that, you don't need to go completely through it. As long as it's only 3", you can see.

Hope that helps.

[Jester262]

3" auras do not block LoS to the generating model.

If a model is in base to base with a terrain piece, then I would say it's touching that terrain. Because of that, you don't need to go completely through it. As long as it's only 3", you can see.

Hope that helps.

and the reason for this is becasue the rules say MORE than 3". So if you are exactly 3 inches into the terain or AoE then you are not more than. Thought this explenation may clarify things a bit

[Alex]

I'm not sure about this, else otherwise what is the point of having a 3" obscuring aura if it doesn't do anything?

[Q'iq'el]

I'm not sure about this, else otherwise what is the point of having a 3" obscuring aura if it doesn't do anything?

You still get soft cover and that helps quite a bit (for one, many minions cannot cheat their ranged attacks against you).

Secondly, you can hide another model behind the minion generating the Aura and that minion too will get soft cover... and will be invisible at some angles (where there is more than 3" of aura between the minion and the potential attacker).

[ZiggyQubert]

From the rules manual (emphisis added)-

• Models can draw LoS up to 3” across an intervening base with the obscuring trait, but not entirely through the base.
• Models on an obscuring base can draw LoS up to 3” to other models on that base.
• If all the lines drawn by a model must be drawn across more than 3” of a base with the obscuring trait, or must be drawn entirely through the base and that base’s Ht is equal to or greater than both the model’s and target’s Ht, then the model’s LoS to the target is blocked

So if you have a 3" piece of terrain (say lilliths illusinary forest) -
- Anyone on the terrain piece can be sean and will recieve cover from anywhere (there will always be 3" or less of terrain from anywhere)
- Anyone touching the terrain is not in the terrain (line of sight from the other side of the terrain piece would have to be drawn completly across the terrain piece)

A couple more examples -

Stitched together - there AOE is a 4" aoe, so no one outside the AOE can see the stitched

Cooligans - there aoe is 3" so anyone can see the cooligan (its more than 3" of obscuring that blocks LOS) but it recieves cover

[Normski]

if i read the first post correct?
Heartsbane was asking if a model was in B2B contact peice of obscuring terrain which is narrower than 3inches! meaning stood behind something? could the model be targeted?
If I am understaning this to be the case, 3 inches is still wider than the 30mm base if the obscuring object is part of a wall and if the base of the model is not in LoS surely this means the model can not be targeted? and receives cover!! and only models with the ignore cover rule can target this model!
so I would say no it cannot be targeted if LoS cannot be gained.

if the obscuring terrain is less than 3 inches deep such as a small shrub or tree then LoS can be achieved according to the rule book if Los is drawn 3inch or less and the obscuring object Ht is less than both models Ht then the model has partial Los and gains soft cover!

feel free to correct me if i have misread the rule!! :-)

[Jester262]

the model has to be IN the terrain and 3" or less to be able to be targetted. If the model is on the other side of the terrain it doesn't matter how thick it is the model cannot be targetted.

[Heartsbane]

the model has to be IN the terrain and 3" or less to be able to be targetted. If the model is on the other side of the terrain it doesn't matter how thick it is the model cannot be targetted.

I'm ot certain being in b2b with terrain means your 'in' the terrain. However, I am happy to accept that a 3inch obscuring aura does not block LoS. Thanks everyone =D