Seamus & co. vs. I2I?

[morpsele]

exactly what i meant to say. Thanks for clarifiing

[Ozz]

1- how do you manifest? Just ignore the Slit Jugular requirement and eat the lost activation?

A friend did this to me on a mature Nephilim on my first game with Lilith. Just activate Seamus as normal, use the 0 action you need for the requirement (assuming you have the suit in hand) and save a belle until the end of the turn when they have few cards left and lure the model which by my understanding causes the charge you need, allowing you to get the trigger you need (once their hand is empty) he then manifested in mele with Lilith on 1 WD, no healing flip from stones, and took me 3 turns to kill him, not hard to hit but getting through his terrifying is a pain if he has used the actions to boost it :(

[SpiralngCadavr]

The problem is the I2I part, vs. requiring I pull it off on an enemy, so the only way is to do it against an enemy I'm within 6" of that's planning on moving...

[Buhallin]

I rarely worry about the Slit Jugular condition for manifesting no matter what I'm facing. It's by far the most fiddly, and has too big a chance to accomplish nothing other than meeting the requirement. Two turns for Face of Death, and manifesting early on Turn 3 still leaves you with a (1) and a (0). His Avatar accomplishes a lot of what it needs to just by being in position and letting things fail morale duels and run away to get hit by Wicked. I'll frequently use the (1) to move up more, then his (0) to boost the Terrifying, and just get him stuck in. Most models are going to need a 9+ to pass that, and that's a pretty hefty requirement.

Hoffman is definitely an ugly matchup for Seamus in general, but I think he's very vulnerable to a few tricks. Onryo can be a good option to open up your Wp games, but they'll be about your only one so you have to make sure to protect it. Hoffman himself is not Immune to Influence though, and if you can beat him out on initiative and use a Sybelle-driven Alpha Lure to pull him away from his pack of bots, he's in trouble. Dead Rider is a good general choice as well, and can potentially accomplish the same thing. Separate The Hoff from his bots, break his ability to assimilate and the Protect chains, and he'll fold fast.

[SpiralngCadavr]

Okay, well, actually starting the game has stalled something fierce, so this advice is going to be useful... Hopefully the game will actually happen before we both forget our lists again :/

[SoulG]

The only real issue with I2I is that it shuts down Belles... That's why, if you're running a Belle focused list you also run an Onryo or two.

Heck, aSeamus + 2 Belles + 2 Onryo isn't even a horrible 25ss list unless you need to be very objective-run-y.