Nurse's Massive Dose Offical Ruling

[Finnegan]

A lot of people here on the forums play Massive Dose (Painkillers, Speed, Stimulant) as one effect with two clauses, the second one being the sacrifice at the start closing phase. This means that if you want to Dispel, Shrug off or otherwise get rid of the sacrifice effect, you also lose the other bonus.

While this seems like the logical interpretation to me, I'd like an official ruling, if only so we can point to it when people ask the question.

[DavidKerrSmith]

I thought all spell effects end at the end of the turn, unless otherwise stated.

This would mean that if they shrugged off the sacrifice effect, the bonus effects end normally anyway.

[Finnegan]

There's the rub: do you consider Painkillers, Speed and Stimulant as giving you two separate effects or as one effect? I myself believe that it is one named effect with two parts - after all, it seems unlikely Wyrd would use one name to refer to two distinct effects.

But as long as we have no official ruling, we can't know for sure.

[Jewomie]

Well, the way i get around it... (i think anyway... it's been a while since i've shrugged )is to use it at the end of the activation. That way i still get the benifit of the buff, but don't have to worry about if i can split up the effect when using shrug off.

I think this is how i do it anyway... like i said... it's been a long time

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Each one is one effect put on the model, with multiple adjustments to the model. Shrug off will impact good and bad.

[Mydnight]

Mr. Bigglesworth has it. On the card itself Massive Dose says the model receives one effect. Those effects have different pros/cons, but it's all lumped under one name. Shrug off says to get rid of one effect, which if used on a massive dose effect would remove Painkillers, Speed, or Stimulant, along with their benefits/penalties

Apologies to Mr. Bigglesworth, you have the right of it. I just felt that a little elaboration would help clear things up.

[CannonFodder]

To me its one effect that has a benefit and a consequence.

The goal is to use the benefit, then Shrug off/Dis-spell before the consequence hits. Your not actually shrugging off just the consequence. your shrugging off the benefit & the Consequence after you've used the benefit.

Example

Massive Dose: Speed - Has a benefit of Reactivate, and a Consequence of Sacrifice at end of turn.

If Sue gets Massive Dose: Speed, he can do his first activate. Then Start his second activation (Benefit), during his second activation Shrugs off the whole effect of Massive Dose:Speed before the consequence kicks in.

[sharpobjects]

http://www.wyrd-games.net/showthread...ight=shrug+off

[Omenbringer]

I am not sure this is correct and would definately like to see an official ruling.

I have always thought of the Sacrifice as a requirement of Massive Dose, not an effect of it (so Shrug Off wouldn't effect it).

And though I dont really have a dog in the fight (can count the times I have a seen a nurse played on 1 finger), I believe this is why the newer models (Twisting Fates iteration) now have an AR notation to clear the matter up (The V2 cards were released before this designation so would't have them, though several would probably get them).

[Morgan Vening]

I am not sure this is correct and would definately like to see an official ruling.

I have always thought of the Sacrifice as a requirement of Massive Dose, not an effect of it (so Shrug Off wouldn't effect it).

And though I dont really have a dog in the fight (can count the times I have a seen a nurse played on 1 finger), I believe this is why the newer models (Twisting Fates iteration) now have an AR notation to clear the matter up (The V2 cards were released before this designation so would't have them, though several would probably get them).

It's unlikely that Massive Dose would get an AR notation, due to when Additional Requirements have to be paid (step 2D of casting). If it's not paid for in step 2D, the spell fails. And if it's an effect that isn't immediate, I can't see how it can't be Shrugged Off, especially given the ruling on going Avatar and similar effects.

Now, whether or not you can Shrug Off part of the Sacrifice effect before the Reactivate has been used, and still claim the Reactivate (or maintain the Do Not Die from Painkillers), is a much murkier question.

Morgan Vening