Marcus - is he really one of the weakest masters?

[graeme27uk]

So are you saying that Neverborn masters are better than non-neverborn masters?

[Adanedhel]

graeme27uk, you have no idea what you just did to yourself :p

anyways, the Outcast have decent to good book 1 masters as well

[Nephalumps]

As Q'iq'el said, it's not so much that Marcus is weak (he's pretty solid himself, with only one or two "clunker" rules,) as it's more that players just starting out with him are very likely to build a "Frankencrew".

Marcus' crew selection is pretty massive. Being able to hire any Beast, along with the usual allotment of Arcanist and Outcast minions gives him a huge amount of flexibility. Unfortunately, that also makes it much more difficult for players to narrow down the field of models to ones that are particularly synergistic/effective/useful, and as a result you can make some pretty awful crews with him.

The first year or so of playing Marcus for me was trying out all those different crew combinations, just to see how each component worked. It was an interesting experience, but also a frustrating and relatively painful one. I became exceptionally jealous of a self-contained, "builds itself" crew like Colette's.

Once you get comfortable with his rules, and you build a crew you like, Marcus can do very well. He's one of the faster Masters in the game, and he's one of the two Arcanist Masters that can easily build a crew to secure objectives, which is a pretty potent advantage in Malifaux.

[ukrocky]

Only one ammendement to Calmdown's post, Marcus' specific scheme is mediocre, it can be great, but can be very situational too. I put it at about a 2/3 out of 5 difficulty wise!

He was always considered very weak, hence why I started him, and now he isn't

[mythicFOX]

Just to add that deveral things have happened to support Marcus since book one. The arrival of Night Terrors and Kaeris coupled with an expanded understanding of how Malifaux works (the importance of speed etc).

These things have combined to change the perspective on Marcus.

[ukrocky]

Don't forget me being amazing with him James ;)

[graeme27uk]

graeme27uk, you have no idea what you just did to yourself :p

Now I am worried..... care to elaborate?

[nilus]

Now I am worried..... care to elaborate?

If you are bored just do a search about Neverborn OP. There are a lot of people in the community that feel they are the best faction.

[Nayte]

I picked up Marcus a few weeks ago, and all the games I've played have been really close or I've won. Being able to hire Shikome's, Waldgeists, and Night Terrors are great. Myranda though... ugh. I've yet to have her pull her point value. She looks great on paper, but pulling off her tricks can be tough and card dependent. Kaeris is a much better model for 1 more SS.

Night terrors move across the board and grab objectives. I run 3 because Night Terrors are such good models...

[Issalbotproto]

I totally agree, anything that needs objective grabbing usually leads to me including 2-4 night terrors they are soo good, and as a result of Marcus I even bring them in my Mcmourning Crew from time to time (see he really does earn a lot from his teacher)