Jackalope, Multiply and Avatar Marcus

[Tograth]

Hi folks.


quick question - The jackalopes Multiply ability states that (verbatim, as i dont have the card to hand) when removed from play it may be summoned into base contact with a beast model when it is killed, before the beast is removed.


How does this interact with Marcus after he avatars up? As part of Marcus' avatar manifest you have to remove any attached totems from the game. Does this prevent the jackalope coming back via Multiply?

[poulpox]

That's right, when aMarcus arrives, the totems are removed from the game, as opposed to removed from play, therefore Jackalope's ability (which applies to "removed from play" as you mentioned) does not apply and Jacko cannot come back anymore; shame, it'd be nice to keep the little bugger closeby!

T.

[Alex]

This can't be right, because a killed model is "removed from play and from the game", so either Multiply doesn't work at all, or it works even after it's removed from the game during manifesting. The only other alternative I see involves errata to the rulebook or to Multiply.

[TedPro]

Aw man, I hope the Jackalope keeps coming back.

That little guy is adorable.

[Omenbringer]

Here is the actual wording for Multiply

When a non-Jackalope Beast is killed or sacrificed, but before it is removed from play, its controller may Push this model into base contact with the Beast. If this model was previously removed from play and is currently not in play, its controller may Place it in base contact with the Beast before it is removed from play.

Masters that manifest into Avatars aren't killed or sacrificed but replaced, so part 1 wont take effect. Part 2 wont take effect either since once again Marcus isn't removed from play but replaced.

Now the real questions is can it come back if another beast model dies after the Avatar has manifested? Though I dont believe it was intended (could be wrong) it would seem that it would in fact be able to come back via the multiply ability.

[dgraz]

Doesn't Marcus have enough strikes against him? Let him keep the little guy!!

When you mess with the Jackalope you get the horns!!

I kid. I'm fairly competitive with the Beastmaster.

[Alex]

Now the real question is can it come back if another beast model dies after the Avatar has manifested? Though I dont believe it was intended (could be wrong) it would seem that it would in fact be able to come back via the multiply ability.

Right, sorry for the confusion but that was in fact the question I was addressing. Can the Jackalope return when a Beast dies after Marcus has manifested?

[Omenbringer]

As I said I think it can come back via Multiply after manifestation (just not from Avatar Marcus manifesting because he is replaced).

[poulpox]

This can't be right, because a killed model is "removed from play and from the game"

Oh that's a good point... yes so then i guess it could come back?

[baskinders]

But even if he did come back wouldn't he be immediately removed anyway, given there's not a friendly "Marcus" on the board, only a friendly Avatar? Is that how it's meant to work?