Is broken now broken?

[Dorian]

Bosco, can you please refrain from making attacks like that? I find it detrimental to the thread and topic at hand, game balance issues. Von Schill is known to be a very efficient model. However at 10SS to any non outcast crew he accounts for about 1/3 of the army in a 35ss game. Yes he is annoying, yes he is good, no he is not unstoppable and no he is not taken "just to win" also if you are not playing to win, why not set that up with your opponent before the game starts so you can both agree to bring casual and fluffy lists (raspy with ice golems, zoraida with a bad juju)?

[Patchwork]

Taking Von Schill in a crew is like putting bumpers in a bowling lane.

I'm going to make a t-shirt with that on it.

[PierceSternum]

You know that Jack Daw is banned from most tournaments, right? Why is that?
Hmmmmmm.......

I had never heard of Jack Daw being banned at any tournament before your post. That is interesting.

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Taking Von Schill in a crew is like putting bumpers in a bowling lane. Your score may get better and you will win games but you are still garbage. Admit you take him to win games....... I take that back: admit to yourself that you take him so you can win games - we already know.

I dislike Von Schill primarily because he is the "answer" for so many rezzers and I dislike that. I have hopes that as Molly fleshes out with more horrors, that Von Schill-mania dies down.

That having been said, Bosco, I find it difficult to see an upside to your post. It feels very much like you just want to pick a fight with people that choose to use a model they purchased.

[Boscotopia]

Bosco, can you please refrain from making attacks like that? I find it detrimental to the thread and topic at hand, game balance issues. Von Schill is known to be a very efficient model. However at 10SS to any non outcast crew he accounts for about 1/3 of the army in a 35ss game. Yes he is annoying, yes he is good, no he is not unstoppable and no he is not taken "just to win" also if you are not playing to win, why not set that up with your opponent before the game starts so you can both agree to bring casual and fluffy lists (raspy with ice golems, zoraida with a bad juju)?

Just responding to the attack the poster was making against everyone who is actually talking about game balance. They wanted to derail the conversation by saying it is the player's fault for any issues they may have.
Blaming the victim is not the way to fix things. And, yes, taking Von Schill in a Resser crew is garbage and it points to balancing issues because if you have to go outside your Faction and pull in a Merc who sticks out like fly in the soup and pay that many SS to get him, that means he is THAT good and there is no one in the Faction that compares. When you dip into other crews to compete OR play "fluff" just as a powderpuff match and not to win, then there is a problem with the balance.

No disrespect to anyone but I will state the facts. Also, getting back to the balance issue, you said, " no, they do not take him to win." What is your evidence of this? Why else spend 1/3 of your SS to get him? Again, there is nothing wrong with taking him in order to ensure victory. The conversation is on the game, not the players. Players who want to win will exploit the system and that is why we are talking about the various points of exploitation. Saying it does not exist is naive.

[Nathan Caroland]

Broke, Broke ... broken ... set ablaze ...

There ya go.