Guardian's Stalwart

[Sholto]

Strictly speaking, the rulebook has this covered, since effects that do not declare an end point come to an end in the End Closing Phase. Auras specifically declare the effects they give end when a model moves out of the aura. Since Stalwart is not an aura, it seems that the +2 Armour effect is applied to all models within 2" of the Guardian when Stalwart is activated, and the +2 Armour then lasts until the End Closing Phase.

[Oshova]

So you're saying it is effectively a pulse, and the affect ends at the end of the turn? That is definitely the way it is starting to look like the rule works as written. But I still think that makes no sense. How is the Guardian protecting the Peacekeeper that has now run from the deployment zone grabbed the treasure, and then reactivated to go into cover?

[magicpockets]

So you're saying it is effectively a pulse, and the affect ends at the end of the turn? That is definitely the way it is starting to look like the rule works as written. But I still think that makes no sense. How is the Guardian protecting the Peacekeeper that has now run from the deployment zone grabbed the treasure, and then reactivated to go into cover?

Or the SS Miner that's just buried itself with armour (+3) huh? :lol:

I think how we played it is right, all models in 2" at the point the Guardian does Stalwart gain armour(+2) until the end closing phase, irrespective of where they eventually move.

[Oshova]

Or the SS Miner that's just buried itself with armour (+3) huh? :lol:

I think how we played it is right, all models in 2" at the point the Guardian does Stalwart gain armour(+2) until the end closing phase, irrespective of where they eventually move.

Yes, I would say we played the rule correctly as it's written. But I will just have to add it to my list of gripes about how things should work against how they work according to the rules. =p

[fishtank]

You know, it never occurred to me to play this as anything other than - to all intents and purposes- an Aura effect. This is what makes the most sense (it represents the Guardian sticking bits of himself in the way of shots and blows).

The fact that you can pick apart the language of the rule to interpret it otherwise actually saddens me.

Hopefully someone will clear this up.

[Oshova]

It's less picking apart the language, more seeing how people interpret things differently. And using the most literal reading of the rules makes for play with the least argument.

Of course, there is nothing stopping you from playing House Rules. But to play by the rules, you play literally. I agree that the sensible way to play would be to play it like an aura. But the rule as written says to play it like a pulse.

[magicpockets]

But I will just have to add it to my list of gripes...

Says the guy who plays Chompy and Collodi in the same crew :D

[Clousseau]

I tend to look at things from a logical point of view, and therefore the Guardian can logically only protect a model near it (within 2" in fact) and take a wound for the honour. That's how I'll continue to play it unless ruled otherwise.

P.S. don't confuse me with talk of auras and pulses

[Oshova]

Says the guy who plays Chompy and Collodi in the same crew :D

To be fair, you told me to play it in the 3rd game. =p

And you use Hamelin and Nix ; ]

Also, there is a difference between twisting the rules to suite your ends, and using models that are naturally more powerful than others. LCB and Collodi are just better against Levi than vice versa.

[magicpockets]

I tend to look at things from a logical point of view, and therefore the Guardian can logically only protect a model near it (within 2" in fact) and take a wound for the honour. That's how I'll continue to play it unless ruled otherwise.

P.S. don't confuse me with talk of auras and pulses

Well bear in mind if I play you I'll be playing it as written :D