Going to start a Leviticus Crew

[Buck Dog]

1.) Not overly reliant, its nice to have a couple on hand to force a spell through (especially when you are trying to warp an opposing master into an SPA J), or as a last resort to keep him alive if both Hollow Waifs have been taken out. I tend to run him with 2 / 3 soulstones, but there have been games when I haven’t touched them at all.

2.) Nothing that I am aware of, apart from due to the Special Forces hiring restrictions it will stop you from taking Ryle, Soulstone Miner, Rogue Necromancy etc.

3.) Pass :/

4.) Fairly easy actually. Due to dual focus, Levi can chose between a Crow and a Tomb as the associated suit for each spell. And through Impressionable Rusty gets to use Levi’s CA and all abilities affecting his CA J

[magicpockets]

Okay, how about this for a 35ss list?

Leviticus (3ss Cache)
Rusty Alice - 8ss
Lazarus - 8ss
JackDaw - 9ss
Large SPA - 5ss (kill for 3x scrap to make 3x SPAs)
Canine Remains - 2ss (kill for a corpse counter for 2nd Hollow Waif)

May be a bit low on SS? (I very rarely play a game with any master with less than 8ss) Also will be card dependant to summon the 4x models I'm getting counters for.

Any comments?

[Adran]

Your hardest part is probably killing the large arachnid.
To cast the 4 spells to make 3 steampunk abominations and 1 waif, you will just need 4 7s.
Between your hand, the flips and Deaths lessons, that shouldn't be a problem.
Problem is that he can only cast Entropic transformation twice a turn, since he can't kill himself with it, and Alyce takes cards out your hand as well.

[magicpockets]

Plan was to melee the Large SPA with Levi leaving 2ap for entropic transformation - would that work?

Also I could take a Warden rather than Lazarus to put Levi on 6ss in his pocket - what do you think?

[Adran]

That would work, using a severe card from your hand (or Deaths lessons). Bonus if you get to use Spare parts as well.
You might have to be disgarding cards from hand to allow you to cheat.

I had started my planning on getting 3 summons from him, till I realised I couldn't, and forgot to free up that AP.

Currently I have no clue as to the relative values of Lazarus vs Warden, they both look like good models.

On the whole, I reckon that You've got a good chance of completing what you want on Turn 1 about 80% of the time.

[Buck Dog]

Your hardest part is probably killing the large arachnid.
To cast the 4 spells to make 3 steampunk abominations and 1 waif, you will just need 4 7s.
Between your hand, the flips and Deaths lessons, that shouldn't be a problem.
Problem is that he can only cast Entropic transformation twice a turn, since he can't kill himself with it, and Alyce takes cards out your hand as well.

Don't forget that Waifs can cast Levi's spells too - although you will need a decent card and then have to sacrifice them.

[Necromorph]

Yeah that would work. 3ss is about perfect for him, he really doesn't use them much except to get off really important casts. Killing a large spider for 3 scraps is a good tactic, and if you had another construct in there you could use them to assimilate something permanently for Lazarus, but it depends on the list. That list is pretty solid though, I have yet to try Lazarus with him, but he seems promising.

A warden without support is kinda iffy with levi. One piece of advice I can give is that all of his minions are a distraction for levi...not literally, but you need stand alone minions that can do work without much synergy or support. The only units with any true synergy are ashes, SPAs, Desi, alyce, and anything that he can give a crow to for the trigger like ss miners. Other than that, the models you take will be for.a specific purpose that can work on their own...doing the most to your enemy to draw attention to themselves so levi can nuke away unmolested.

[Eisenhorn]

How reliant is he on Soulstones?

It varies from game to game but most of the time he can get by with 3 – 5 stone. I have played game with two stones and have done just fine. I have also played games with five and haven’t needed to use any throughout the game. If you plan on running him with a henchmen you might want to run slightly more as Levi isn’t a terribly good support master

Is there anything that stops him taking Collodi as a henchman?

Nope he can take both Collodi and Molly

Am I remembering right that the Large Steampunk Arachnid is now on a 50mm base? (EDIT: Found this, yes it is)

I never considered it because my book states its on a 40mm and I don’t currently own one. Anyway if you take the Large spider make sure that you take it for more than just its scrap. If it dies the scrap pile is nice to make the occasional SPA but DO NOT take it for the sole purpose of making cheap SPA’s. There are actually several reasons for this. First every one of Levi’s AP are precious and a potential death blow to one of your opponents models. Every spell being cast to kill your own model is one less unnatural wasting cast at your opponent. Second the spell which turns scrap into SPA is Entropic Transformation. Although the spell is easy enough to get off it does inflict 3 wds on Levi per cast. Since Levi only has 8wds you will only be able to get the spell of twice per turn. You really do not want to take Levi out of the game for two turns to just make 4 SPA’s. I think the best way to do it is to take two SPA to start the game with. Blitz Levi up field, hit something with unnatural wasting and then turn them into an SPA with entropic transformation and place it with the original two. Its important to use ET if you can because the SPA is just summoned whereas Necrotic Unmaking summons it into base contact of the killed model. Run the large spider up field and start killing stuff. If it dies during the game and drops the scrap partly up field that is ok to. That scrap pile can then be used to make some additional SPA’s in mid to late game when your original Desolation Engine has died and you have two SPA remaining.

In reality how easy/hard is it to get the spells off (Levi and Alice) which turn things into SPAs? Seems like you need a lot of Tomes

Levi can get them off fairly easy. The key is to get them to go off where your opponent has no chance to resist. Trust me your opponent will very quickly realize the potency of his spell and will throw everything at them to resist them. In general I think he has more of a dependency on crows than tomes but the ability to choose which suit he casts with helps him a great deal. Also don’t forget about death lessons and disciplined caster. When used together these two abilities can provide Levi with a decent amount of card manipulation.

Don't forget that Waifs can cast Levi's spells too - although you will need a decent card and then have to sacrifice them.

The waif cannot cast Entropic Transformation. It only has three wounds and you cannot reduce your wounds to 0 with that spell. I would say that 99% of the time I use the waif to either double walk into a better position or if I’m in range cast Tap Soul. Remember that the Waif has EMPTY BEING to cast Levi’s spell and not MAGICAL EXTENSION. The difference between them is that after using empty being the waif is sacrificed and im not to keen on leaving Levi any more vulnerable than he needs to be.



For me the hardest part of learning Levi was the resource management of his wounds. You really kind of have to plan his whole turn out ahead of time and calculate the amount of wounds he will take throughout that turn. You also want to have a backup plan to kill off Levi if you have to. There is nothing that sucks more than to leave Levi living and to start the next turn with no cards in your hand.

[AdrianMills]

Is a 35ss to low to include Ashs and Dust

I have been looking at the following list but it only leaves a 2ss pool

Ashes and Dust
Rusty Alyce
4 x Steampunk Abomination

[Twisted Metal]

Is a 35ss to low to include Ashs and Dust

I have been looking at the following list but it only leaves a 2ss pool

Ashes and Dust
Rusty Alyce
4 x Steampunk Abomination

In general I think 40ss is a more practical size game for A&D with 35 being the lowest I would recommend. Even then your kind of going to have a rough game because you will be out activated almost every turn. At 35ss your list could work but I would prefer to run 2 Necro Punks and a Remains instead of Alyce. If you want to include Alyce then drop two SPA for the Punks. Levi can make two SPA in no time and if your lucky Alyce can help.