Sorrows and Linking

[Kogan Style]

Hi all,

Here is my query: Can a Sorrow link to Hamelin? Had this while suffering from a Hamelin steamroller last game, and thinking of trying anything to make him stop I wanted to attach a sorrow to him to a) steal some life and b)siphon magic to try and cast one of his spells on someone else (think it was Nix)

Now as a Sorrow is insignificant it was argued it couldn't target Hamelin, but I as wondering, since linking isn't an isn't an attack, can it ignore the bully rule?

We played the game using the rule that the Sorrow couldn't link.

[Ratty]

(0) Link
This model and target model in base contact with it are Linked. After the model this model is Linked to completes a Walk Action or ends its activation, Push this model into base contact with the Linkedmodel. Link ends if the two models are not in base contact at the Start Closing Phase.

So Hamelin would be the target of an insignificant model, therefore Bully stops it.

*edited as I had a brainfart.

[Kogan Style]

Sorrows are ht2 but I'm guessing that due to insignificant status, they won't be able to target hamelin anyway.

[zatoichi98]

The word 'target' here seems only to reference another model, as opposed to an actual 'target' of an attack. I dobt believe it was the intent of the game designers to limit what a woe could link too. But of course, I could be wrong.

[Ratty]

The word 'target' here seems only to reference another model, as opposed to an actual 'target' of an attack. I dobt believe it was the intent of the game designers to limit what a woe could link too. But of course, I could be wrong.

target is a defined term.

[zatoichi98]

I suggest my interpretation only because the word 'target' is not repeated anywhere in tbe paragraph after the first usage. Clearly using the word 'target' throughout the paragraph would be more economical, but also clarify the intent of the usage of the term, but that's not what they did. I'm not sure how often the phrase 'another model' is used on all the game stat cards, but I'm willing to bet they are using the word 'target' as a noun, and not as a verb. The distinction is important because Hamlin's ability implies target as a verb.

[Ratty]

ER.. No.. TARGET means target full stop. It's one of the things they made sure when they updated all the cards, it should never ever be used unless they mean target.

BTW the little star by my name means I'm a Rules Marshal. Which means I'm here to clarify these things. Or to quote Sylvester Stalone's really cheesy Judge Dread... "I am the law". :P

[Kogan Style]

I suggest my interpretation only because the word 'target' is not repeated anywhere in tbe paragraph after the first usage. Clearly using the word 'target' throughout the paragraph would be more economical, but also clarify the intent of the usage of the term, but that's not what they did. I'm not sure how often the phrase 'another model' is used on all the game stat cards, but I'm willing to bet they are using the word 'target' as a noun, and not as a verb. The distinction is important because Hamlin's ability implies target as a verb.

Thanks for putting my argument forward much better than I could!

*EDIT - Just seen Rattys' response, happy to go along with that!

[zatoichi98]

Ratty, all due respect, I do know you are a Rules Marshal - I respect that, and thank you for that. I do appreciate your quick responses to these matters. I know you have to answer many of the same issues over and over and it can be taxing. But please remember, this forum is labeled 'Rules Discussion' and a discussion is a place where different thoughts and ideas can be heard. Many of your rulings came from players bringing up issues that were not seen during play testing and many usages of words had to be revisited and rethought. I think this is one of the things that makes Malifaux a great game - its evolving. But please, don't try to silence opinions with brute authority - facts work fine!

[hartshornn1]

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