Totems and Discard soul stones

[CannonFodder]

Can a totems cast spells that require it to discard a soul stone?

Specific example: Mechanical doves using disappearing act from Colette.

I'd like to see a rules wrangler respond to this. I saw it discussed in deep another thread but should be in a simple to find place.

[nilus]

I'd say no, since they do not have use soul stone. But if you want a Rule MARSCHAL to answer(There are no rules Wranglers, just a Henchman Wrangler) you might want to offer up some virtual cookies to them.

[Hookers]

nilus is correct. Magical extension allows them to use a soulstone to improve the starting total of the duel for that spell only. It does not grant them Use Soulstone, and therefore they cannot discard a soulstone for any other reason than explicitly stated in the ability (add to the spell).

[Ratty]

I'd say no, since they do not have use soul stone. But if you want a Rule MARSCHAL to answer(There are no rules Wranglers, just a Henchman Wrangler) you might want to offer up some virtual cookies to them.

I also accept cheese.

Take it that they can't use spells that have a soulstone cost.

(1) Magical Extension
(CC: */Rst: * /Rg: *) This spell may be cast only once per activation. Cast one of the connected Master’s (1) spells. During this casting, this model may use a Soulstone to change its starting total.

This is the only thing in Magical Extension that allows you to use a soulstone, and that is only to add to the duels casting total.

[CannonFodder]

I see the argument, but the rules fro use soulstone (P14) sais

"But on occasion models without the ability can or the player discards the soulstone."

Given totems are supposed to cast spell from their master, I feel it falls in the 'on occasion' area. I realize the rules wrangler is probably going to say the same thing, but it would be nice to have official clear rulings, or an updated faq.

[Ratty]

I see the argument, but the rules fro use soulstone (P14) sais

"But on occasion models without the ability can or the player discards the soulstone."

Given totems are supposed to cast spell from their master, I feel it falls in the 'on occasion' area. I realize the rules wrangler is probably going to say the same thing, but it would be nice to have official clear rulings, or an updated faq.

There is only one situation I can think of where this is the case. which is Jack Daw's Undying. I would in general take it that if it says on the model card it can do something with soulstones the model can, if it's getting the ability from another card I would say not.

[magicpockets]

I realize the rules wrangler is probably going to say the same thing, but it would be nice to have official clear rulings, or an updated faq.

Just in case you missed it, Ratty is a Marshall now - so there's your "official clear ruling" ;)

[CannonFodder]

Thanks

[Masque]

There is only one situation I can think of where this is the case. which is Jack Daw's Undying. I would in general take it that if it says on the model card it can do something with soulstones the model can, if it's getting the ability from another card I would say not.

So if a Doppelganger Mimiced Undying, Magical Extension, or Dissappearing Act it would not be able to discard a soulstone?

[Dark Alleycat]

No but it could mimic the use soulstone from a master and then be able to use soulstones.