Killjoy - how to use?

[Kaptain O]

So I bought the Killjoy model because it kicks ass but am trying to figure out how to use it in game, it is expensive and requires the sacrifice of anothe rmodel - which adds to his cost. Other than abusive zombie dogs+nurses combos is there a good way to field him? Does it just require a larger game?

Specifically how do I as an Outcast player find space for him?

[Pseudokinetic]

a cheap way could always be to nab a 2ss totem, pretty sure every force has one.

or else field some cheap models and be aggressive w/ em. once one is fairly wounded, pop him out of it.

(or best bet... a slow to die model... use it's last activation to bring him in)


though at 11ss base and needing to wait fr another model to come into play.. he might be best off in larger games in general (was just tossing ideas out there)

[Kaptain O]

Hmmm the Slow to Die idea is nice.

[thetang22]

I don't have the rules in front of me...but what about Levi? Couldn't you use him for the sacrifice and have him come back to life via a hollow waif? He's also Outcast, so no raised costs. Like I said though...I don't have the book with me, so I don't know if that would technically work.

[Haight]

I don't have the rules in front of me...but what about Levi? Couldn't you use him for the sacrifice and have him come back to life via a hollow waif? He's also Outcast, so no raised costs. Like I said though...I don't have the book with me, so I don't know if that would technically work.


This absolutely works. It's a great option if you are playing Leveticus.

[AoM]

be aggressive, then sacrifice when you're gonna lose the model anyway. As long as it's early enough in the turn. The Leveticus trick is nice, too.

Killjoy still has a hefty price tag, so a cheap totem or a large game is my preference.

[nilus]

I use him with Nicodem, so I don't have to pay the extra point. But he is still expensive.

One idea is to use one of the Vultures to spawn him, they cost 2 points and move rather quickly. Plus since Nico can have two you don't lose your totem summoning Killjoy.

[mattausten86]

''Killjoy still has a hefty price tag, so a cheap totem or a large game is my preference.''

As much as i want to use killjoy with my guild alongside the executioner,i dont think i can justify the 12(?) ss price tag,can any of you convince me to use him???


cheers
matt

[deadboy]

I'm running him with Leviticus. Question. Do models you summon (such as SPA or Hollow Waifs) get the Sacrifice ability or only models that start the game in your crew?

[Rathnard]

The best way to use Killjoy is definitely in conjunction with slow to die models. If you take, for instance, a few necropunks, you can throw them at the enemy and they'll do their bit of damage. Then once your opponent finally kills one, you use slow to die to replace him with Killjoy. The beauty of this is that you still get full use out of the Necropunk (so he doesn't feel like a waste of soulstones), and Killjoy will be able to activate straight after your opponents model finished killing the necropunk.

I've been playing around with Killjoy in conjunction with Zoraida. No slow to die models, but there's some potential with summoning him out of a voodoo doll, plus Zoraida can obey him for extra charges. Still, IMO he's a bit pricy in 25SS scraps.

[Blank]

be aggressive, then sacrifice when you're gonna lose the model anyway. As long as it's early enough in the turn. The Leveticus trick is nice, too.

Does this mean that it's possible to sacrifice Levi? Say he has 1 Wd left, can I just say "Oh, I'm going to sacrifice him since he's almost dead anyway." And then you get Killjoy and also get Levi (provided you have a waif and all that jazz).

[JMGraham]

Does this mean that it's possible to sacrifice Levi? Say he has 1 Wd left, can I just say "Oh, I'm going to sacrifice him since he's almost dead anyway." And then you get Killjoy and also get Levi (provided you have a waif and all that jazz).

That's correct. And why wait til Levi's almost dead - he can always come back. FWIW, I think we'll be seeing more Killjoys in Levi crews as the result of Levi's master-specific scheme (or does that scheme require him to be killed instead of sacrificed?)

Jim

[kbdrand]

I don't have the book in front of me, but I thought with sacrifice you couldn't bring Levi back like you can when he is killed.

[JMGraham]

Levi can come back if he is killed or sacrificed.

[icemantis99]

Soulless Life (Levi's Master-specific Scheme) says "killed or sacrificed", so yeah, Killjoy counts as one of the 4 deaths necessary!
I tend to run him in 30SS+ games, as I can't justify him and the almost-automatic Rusty Alyce together in anything smaller.

[dakrulz55]

also necro punks are a wonderful dilevery tool for him as leap and a pretty good speed is cool. also slow to die trick is cool and if they dont get saced to killjoy there good to flurry with anyways with levys blessing to help get spa count higher.

[Buck Dog]

I haven't seen the new book yet, but from what I have read on here it seems that the new Desperate Mercenary will be a great Killjoy delivery system.

[Godspeed]

I haven't seen the new book yet, but from what I have read on here it seems that the new Desperate Mercenary will be a great Killjoy delivery system.

Yep, been thinking this since playtesting =)

Desperate mercenary is sacrificed at the start of the closing phase on turn 3 unless you pay SS to keep him. Rare 4 and costs 2. Quite potent too, so not always a big deal to pay to keep him either.

[PhatCat]

I'm planning on running KJ in a Ramos crew, summoning him off an Electrical Creation. I've been looking for a bubba in that list, thinking he might work.

[Ciaran]

I'm planning on running KJ in a Ramos crew, summoning him off an Electrical Creation. I've been looking for a bubba in that list, thinking he might work.

That's actually a bit horrific...

I'm going to have to share that with our Ramos player!

[Zaqir]

Last night I ran a 30 ss Levi crew with Alyce,Bette and KJ.

Only Alyce and LEvi started on the field, I was playing defensive so after the Waif summons in (it has to use its 1 slow action to walk so it cannot sacrifice) I used Levi and Alyce to scavenge and summon an SPA.

The SPA became Bette piece and the Waif next turn was for Killjoy. Worked well.

[Ciaran]

I'm going to have to try that Zaqir. That actually sounds like it would be a ton of fun to play.

[Zaqir]

It partially depends on the scenario and it depends on the opponent.

Levi and crew without some of the tricks they have can generally be slow. I rather have things come to me and pick em off at my leisure.

Getting killjoy out early is easy either the waif or levi himself if u have a bad hand.

Getting a token out (i might get some canine remains to help with this) to make SPA's is great because bette noire is such a great reaction piece and you have to worry about her and killjoy with Levi and alyce backing them up..

In fact:
Levi
Alyce =8
Bette = 9
Killjoy = 11
Canina Remains = 2 is good for 30 pts as levi doesn't really need soulstones that much.

[Ciaran]

I'm JUST starting with Leveticus. In fact I haven't put paint to pewter yet on any of his models. I'm digging through looking for nuggets like this to ensure I have some options.

Would you suggest adding in Bette and learning her before adding Killjoy?

[Zaqir]

The reason I like this crew is well it can do anything.

Killjoy is a beast, Bette aint bad either, everyone cept Alyce is resilient in their own way.

There is a summon/activation/control game going throughout (Ie moving things and saccing things or letting things die but gaining models who then activate etc)

I can play a discard game if I have to with Bette,Alyce and the Waifs,

Levi has his card/control tricks (death lessons, casting spells to draw cards, Alyce does as well and even Bette does)

[Zaqir]

I'm JUST starting with Leveticus. In fact I haven't put paint to pewter yet on any of his models. I'm digging through looking for nuggets like this to ensure I have some options.

Would you suggest adding in Bette and learning her before adding Killjoy?

Bette and Killjoy both have things to learn.

Bette is mostly when to bring her in (I got lucky in my game yesterday in that i lost an SPA and brought her in but the enemy model still had attacks and almost killed her)

Killjoy is just learning to balance his beastyness with his drawbacks, ie don't let him end out of melee and closer to your models cause he can hurt.

Never worry about killjoy and losing control of him, i tend to let levi activate before him either to buff him up with blessing or just to cast spells which ensures i have a card to discard and take control of him.

[Atherzon]

I've been thinking about running Killjoy in a Perdita Crew because I really like the idea of the Ortegas harrying and luring him into combat with an enemy Crew.

I'm considering using 3 Guild Hounds and all the Obeys the Ortegas have access to. A pack of 3 Guild Hounds can get 12" across the board and still use Sacrificed to bring him into play. With a base size of a little more than 2", a charge of 8" (10" versus NB), and 2" melee range, he can get into melee range of anything within 24" of the Sacrificed Guild Hound.