Viktorias

[Leb14]

How do they work? I don't understand the sisters rule. It says you have 2 Viktorias....are they both masters? What does the rule mean?

Then the weapon selection confuses me....sigh...not sure on this one (or is it two?) lol

[thetang22]

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You have 2 Viktorias when you play a game with them as your Master choice. Yes, they both are Masters, but it is more like a team than 2 separate masters.

They have lots of synergy between the 2 of them. Lots of their spells affect the both of them, and have other abilities that allow them to redirect spells from one to the other. Basically, they are 2 models on the board, but have a very distinct connection that makes them work as 1 unit with 2 models representing it.

I haven't had any play experience with them personally, but I've heard they are very brutal when utilized appropriately.

As for the weapons issue - you choose whether each deployed Viktoria has the Paired Masamunes (the Blade Mistress model), or a Masamune and a Clockwork Pistol (the Bounty Hunter model). You can have 1 of each, or 2 of one type.

[nerdelemental]

As for the weapons issue - you choose whether each deployed Viktoria has the Paired Masamunes (the Blade Mistress model), or a Masamune and a Clockwork Pistol (the Bounty Hunter model). You can have 1 of each, or 2 of one type.

I don't think so, Tang. I'm fairly positive you'll have to select one that MUST be the paired swordsmistress and one that MUST be the gun and single sword hottie.

Essentially, two distinctly different models with distinctly different stats (well, not terribly distinct - it's just the weapons).

The girls are confusing. All of the Outcasts are kind of the trickiest and rules-bendiest of the entire lot. That's part of their schtick.

[redstripe]

I'm fairly positive you'll have to select one that MUST be the paired swordsmistress and one that MUST be the gun and single sword hottie.

It is a complicated rule, but all it really means is that one of your Victorias is the Sword Mistress and the other is the Bounty Hunter. They have identical statistics except for the weapons they use.

[thetang22]

you know.....I didn't even notice the new wording on it. I hadn't read the wording on that in forever, and I was remembering back to when it was floating around about possibly being the way I mentioned.

[TheBugKing]

The girls are confusing. All of the Outcasts are kind of the trickiest and rules-bendiest of the entire lot. That's part of their schtick.

Leviticus takes that title NE. The girls are confusing but really straight forward. Leviticus takes the entire game idea and turns it on it's ear!

[Angus Khan]

Leviticus takes that title NE. The girls are confusing but really straight forward. Leviticus takes the entire game idea and turns it on it's ear!

Yeah, but he's so much fun! :D

[TheLemondropDan]

Hey, the gremlins are actually pretty involved, too. Recursion + uncontrolled models + placement issues + self harm? They have a lot of strategic depth. (and bacon)

[AoM]

TBK is right. Levi just throws the normal ideas about how to play the game right out the window. He's a jerk like that.

As they've said, the Viktoria weapons rules is a complicated way of saying that you must use 1 Bounty Hunter Viktoria and 1 Sword Mistress Viktoria. You can't have 2 of the same on the table.

[mbowsher76]

I really need to see what the rest of the gremlins do, because I cannot for the life of me see how they would be playable as they stand....everything they do seems to hurt them.

[AoM]

Oh, they do their jobs quite well, and they're not always going to fail. Plus, their pigs are going to do a lot of the heavy lifting for them. The pigs are great. Besides, the Gremlins are just plain fun. They can be seriously dangerous, but if you get a bad hand and some unlucky flips, you might just see that great idea go awry. That's where they get their depth. You've got to plan things to make the Gremlins work well. And then, even if you do, you can't get mad at them when your plans fail. They're just too cute and funny.

[Sarrazon]

Plus, they're what, two soulstones each? That's an absurd amount of Gremlins taking the field, even in smaller games.

[Zee]

The Viktorias seem to be confusing, but not as confusing as Leviticus. It's a brainjam trying to unravel the secrets of forming a successful crew around him.

Z

[Isoulle]

The Viktorias seem to be confusing, but not as confusing as Leviticus. It's a brainjam trying to unravel the secrets of forming a successful crew around him.

Z

Trust me though, it's worth it. I can promise you Levi is a monster once you get him figured out. You'll be shocked at how cool he is.

[AoM]

Isoulle's right. Levi is disgustigating. Yes, I invented a word to describe just how insane he can get when you finally figure him out.

While the Viktorias do present 2 targets to attack, they also give you a master with 16 Wd that can heal 8 of them back as long as she brings a few Ronin along for the ride.

The Sword Mistress might get a little chilly sometimes, though. Pants might not be a bad idea. Hmmm... I'll have to consider this idea further.

[nilus]

The Viktorias seem to be confusing, but not as confusing as Leviticus. It's a brainjam trying to unravel the secrets of forming a successful crew around him.

I kinda like that all the Outcast masters don't really play by the game rules. They all have some cool twists that make them play differently then any of the faction Masters. I hope this sets a precedence for all Outcast masters in the future. Make them the rule breaking faction.

[lubedini]

about the viktorias, if i use the sisters in spirit rule to push another viktoria to within 3 inches, can i move the model pushed anywhere within 3 inches, or do i have to stop as soon as i am within 3 inches?

[AoM]

within 3" is the only part that must be met.

[lubedini]

so can i move one viktoria three inches past the other?

[Jokerohki]

so can i move one viktoria three inches past the other?

More like 2 but yeah you should be able to slingshot one. I think you just need to stay within the 3 inches.

Using this action to accomplish some of the strategies is pretty hot. Treasure Hunt comes to mind...

[lubedini]

thanks, and does the model have to be completely within 3 inches, and does the model have to be pushed in a strait line?

[FlammenKrieger]

I haven't got my Viktorias box set yet, but what is the difference between the Bounty Hunter and the Sword Mistress? I couldn't find where the two different weapon set rules were? Do the Sword Mistress have paired weapon? If so please explain =)

[dsmiles]

I haven't got my Viktorias box set yet, but what is the difference between the Bounty Hunter and the Sword Mistress? I couldn't find where the two different weapon set rules were? Do the Sword Mistress have paired weapon? If so please explain =)
Yes. The Sword Mistress loses the Clockwork Pistol weapon and her Masamune gains the paired characteristic.

[BlueStar86]

I haven't got my Viktorias box set yet, but what is the difference between the Bounty Hunter and the Sword Mistress? I couldn't find where the two different weapon set rules were? Do the Sword Mistress have paired weapon? If so please explain =)
Bounty Hunter comes with a pistol. Sword Mistress comes with paired Masamune Nihonto. That's their only difference. This difference is described under Weapon Selection.

"When deploying these models at the start of the game you must select one Viktoria. Selected Viktoria's Masamune Nihonto gains paird, but loses Clockwork Pistol. The models used must accurately reflect this weapon selection."

It's also the only time I've ever seen "What you see is what you get" in rule format outside of house rules.

[GAH]

thanks, and does the model have to be completely within 3 inches, and does the model have to be pushed in a strait line?

It doesn't have to be completely within 3". The base just has to be at least touching the 3" point. Rules that call for completely within a distance will state that explicitly.