UK Malifaux Masters Invitational

[magicpockets]

After being told about this at my club and picking up on it from another thread I Googled and found this - http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=93255

Can anyone let us know about this?

[ukrocky]

What sort of things you wanna know? Infos in that thread and I think Jo was gonna finish a rulespack before posting here :)

[magicpockets]

Stuff like when, where, who etc

[ukrocky]

As said, rulespack soon! Jo's a busy wee lass atm.

From what I know from OTHER masters (Note; may all be wrong)

- Top 16 in the rankings (As of some point mid-December) get invited, and if someone can't come they keep going down the rankings until 16 can come.
- Probably January/Early Feb
- Maelstrom
- Jo's running it.

[magicpockets]

I thought you meant literally just the rules for the event were on the way, I though venue/eligibility/date etc would be decided with it being announced. ;)

[Neverata]

Adam, give me a chance.
It's at maelstrom, dates are in the thread you posted from twf?

[Oshova]

I will try and be slightly less trollike . . . slightly more constructive . . . but maybe just as negative.

I agree with your posts over on that forum about it being too soon to tell. I have talked to people with both sides of view on the whole rankings shennigans. And personally, I don't care as long as it's not affecting how people play. Yes there are people who play filth to win with filth. And there are people who play with 'harder' masters (ie Marcus) as a challenge. And the rankings system supports both types of these players to try and excel in the field of their choice.

But when push comes to shove, there are 16 spaces open, and more than 16 people who really want in . . . then you're going to be seeing more filth lists at what would be seen as "more relaxed" tournaments. Now, I don't mind travelling all the way up, down, or across the country to get beaten by people playing for fun, and having fun playing . . . but getting beaten by Hamelin 3 times in a day wouldn't be fun . . .

I'm not saying this WILL happen . . . I'm saying it's a possibility. It might turn out that rankings makes people play more creatively . . . it's too early to tell. And therefore too early to decide on a Masters-style tournament.

Not that it really matters for me, as I don't think I will be in the top 16 anyway =p

Tim

[Clousseau]

Tim, you only need to reach 17th (with me in the top 16) as I have no interest in this type of tournament, for basically the reasons you've stated.

[magicpockets]

To echo Tim's (Oshova's) and Dave's (Clousseau) view above, this is why I posted this thread - to try and find out what's going on and why we're looking at a "Masters" event so soon after introducing rankings "to see what happens". I just don't get how when the main concern about rankings was that they'd make Malifaux too competitive someone thought a Masters event would be a good idea - surely that's bound to result in a change in dynamic.

I for one (speaking as 4th place at the minute) will not be going to any such event, just like I'm not bothering with the GT for the same reason.

[Neverata]

Well the only things i'm doing for it is writing the rules pack, Maelstrom is my local games store after all and i'm their local Henchman, its the way that stuff works.

I'm organising prize support and being the admin on the day so i won't even be contacting the entrants i suspect! I'm just the admin nerd ;)

I dont have an opinion one way or another when it comes to rankings so i dont really have anything to add.

Adam - You advised me to rank the GT a few months back and said you couldn't make it due to work stuff so i feel it unfair that you publicly come out and say its why you aren't attending. I work really hard to make the GT fun and fair for all so i'd appreciate the GT being left out of this thread as the two events are totally unrelated. I'm on the other end of a PM for things such as that. I'd rather this stuff didn't get personal is all

All the details are on the Warhammer Forum. When I know more, you will know more.

[Neverata]

And i don't know why there is a Master's event, maybe RHQ/Maelstrom wanted to throw one in the mix and try it out. You don't know what is and isn't a mistake until you try it i suppose.

[Fulgrima]

I think everyone should just chill :) Its just toy soldiers at the end of the day :)

If u want to go to the masters that's cool if you don't want to that's cool. I would like to be good enough to go but I'm not :P

The most important thing to remember is don't be a douche when you play regardless :) and we will all get along fine.

[Neverata]

I think everyone should just chill :) Its just toy soldiers at the end of the day :)

If u want to go to the masters that's cool if you don't want to that's cool. I would like to be good enough to go but I'm not :P

The most important thing to remember is don't be a douche when you play regardless :) and we will all get along fine.

Marcus is Bent ;) So he is a douche when he plays....

I'm 17th Alan, if you wear a dress you can go as me :) you'd probably play better too

[Stern]

I think everyone should just chill :) Its just toy soldiers at the end of the day :)

If u want to go to the masters that's cool if you don't want to that's cool. I would like to be good enough to go but I'm not :P

The most important thing to remember is don't be a douche when you play regardless :) and we will all get along fine.

Some words of wisdom there Fulgrima :)

Have to agree with everything you said... Can we all play nice and be civil?

[Fulgrima]

Marcus is Bent ;) So he is a douche when he plays....

I'm 17th Alan, if you wear a dress you can go as me :) you'd probably play better too

Marcus is perfectly balanced he never falls over :P and I don't think I have the hair to pull it off Jo I would need a wig to :P

[Neverata]

Marcus is perfectly balanced he never falls over :P and I don't think I have the hair to pull it off Jo I would need a wig to :P

I'll bring some of my Wardrobe to the tournament on Sunday and we will see if i can make you a convincing me!

[Fulgrima]

Marcus is Bent ;) So he is a douche when he plays....

I'm 17th Alan, if you wear a dress you can go as me :) you'd probably play better too

I am getting scared that you keep trying to encourage me to wear a dress however :P

[Neverata]

I am getting scared that you keep trying to encourage me to wear a dress however :P

Its to make you more attractive to Chris....

[Fulgrima]

Its to make you more attractive to Chris....

I wouldn't try to come between him and craig

[Stern]

I wouldn't try to come between him and craig

This would be a bad move!

[magicpockets]

Adam - You advised me to rank the GT a few months back and said you couldn't make it due to work stuff so i feel it unfair that you publicly come out and say its why you aren't attending. I work really hard to make the GT fun and fair for all so i'd appreciate the GT being left out of this thread as the two events are totally unrelated. I'm on the other end of a PM for things such as that. I'd rather this stuff didn't get personal is all
.

Let's take a step back here for some context. After being contacted by a few people, including from Wyrd, I agreed to support the rankings for the sake of the community. My PM to you about ranking the GT was in response to you saying you weren't sure about ranking it, I suggested that as the main event in the UK it should be ranked otherwise it would devalue rankings which we needed to make work.

Re me being "busy" on the GT weekend, in the spirit of "supporting rankings" I thought that was a polite way to excuse myself from the event. I didn't feel saying I couldn't be bothered taking the time out to go when I was literally cheated out of 1st place last time and nothing was done about it, and then at the Ho Down I was due to play the same person again, they told you they didn't want to play me and then mysteriously the next day I was playing someone else instead (and they again went on to win and I just missed out)

I don't care about winning or losing, but I do care about tournaments being impartial and fair - and I'm certainly not in it for the politics, popularity contests or to waste my time. And re rankings, scores are scores - but I'll only play at events where I know my score is a reflection of what happens on the table.

Sorry Jo, but call me out in public an I have to put it into context.

[Calmdown]

I dont think masters is necessarily a bad idea, but masters when you have a ranking system that is so young (and hence only really includes people based on a few tournaments) is a bit premature surely?

Ugh, not even been to a tournament yet and the scene seems to be self destructing already...

[Neverata]

It wasn't a calling out! Just voicing that it felt personal. I'm as entitled to have feelings like everyone else. I don't organise rankings, I don't have a clue why it's being run, but I know the rules, so I'm writing a rules pack. GT is a separate thing so should be treated separately. That's all :)

[Neverata]

I dont think masters is necessarily a bad idea, but masters when you have a ranking system that is so young (and hence only really includes people based on a few tournaments) is a bit premature surely?

Ugh, not even been to a tournament yet and the scene seems to be self destructing already...

I feel like I'm self destructing :D like some kind of pokemon. Dont worry, the tournament scene is really fun! Forums are just like texts and emails, stuff just gets read wrong and blown up. We all love each other really :) digital age reads with no emotion

[ukrocky]

Re me being "busy" on the GT weekend, in the spirit of "supporting rankings" I thought that was a polite way to excuse myself from the event. I didn't feel saying I couldn't be bothered taking the time out to go when I was literally cheated out of 1st place last time and nothing was done about it, and then at the Ho Down I was due to play the same person again, they told you they didn't want to play me and then mysteriously the next day I was playing someone else instead (and they again went on to win and I just missed out)

I don't care about winning or losing, but I do care about tournaments being impartial and fair - and I'm certainly not in it for the politics, popularity contests or to waste my time. And re rankings, scores are scores - but I'll only play at events where I know my score is a reflection of what happens on the table.

Adam, are you being f***ing serious?

Right first things first before I get *properly* started, an honest question;

- Was Leeds really that much worse compared to other events you could tell rankings were there?!?

And now to get started. It's late, I'm still a bit drunk and I'm aware of how annoyed I am right now so it's probably not gonna be very coherent.

But seriously Adam, wtf. Right. I can't even believe this has come again. Wow.

So you got cheated out of first place, despite the fact that the numerous emails I sent you post-GT you ignored, probably based on the fact they had reasonable and coherent conclusions on the game, such as you accusing me of not killing my own gremlins with 'Whoops' and me explaining Ophelia's aura, as well as the named Gremlin's 'used to it'. So I got no reply to them, brilliant.

And the time after that I tried to talk to you in person about it you said you were fine with it and it was forgotten (which I didn't believe at the time, but meh).

So all in all calling me an outright cheat, despite the fact that I said I may have made a couple errors during the game, in fact, I almost definetly did but that was based on inexperience and I probably missed a few tricks during the game as well disbenifiting me.

As said, I've tried talking to you about the game but you point blank refuse to hear it.

Now, onto the Ho-down.

At the end of saturday, you, myself and James were well aware where we stood, as in, 1st 2nd and 3rd. But not in that order.

I was 3rd, and you and James were top but there were only a couple of VPs in it, in fact, I'll get you the exact standings tomorrow. You then explicitly said to Jo you'd like to play me, to which I said I was a wimp. And you bigged it up all night about beating me, despite me knowing full well that it was you vs James. Jo was going along with it, for seriousness or fun I have no clue.

I did text Jo on the saturday night, again, I can get you the exact texts tomorrow if you want? Essentially all my text to Jo said was, "Please do the draw properly, if I'm against Adam that's cool but don't fix it."

So no you weren't due to play me again, that's a load of carp, and as said, I'll get you the full results tomorrow so you can double check the validity of your match up.

All the tournaments you've played in have been fair, and I admit I got lucky at the Ho Down/Leeds dodging you as you most certainly would have been a hard game.

I honestly expect this whole post to be deleted in the morning, so I'll copy and paste it so I can PM you it if need be. I genuinley thought we got on well, with a nice bit of banter, but honestly calling me a cheat, a match-fixer and the winner of popularity contests over a forum? Disgusting.

I'll gladly say hi to you if I see you again but don't expect me to do much more than that, as you've shown your nothing more than an immature troll who under handedly insults people.

As said, I'll update soon with the results and texts, just so you can see how much of a match fixer I am, then if you want to discuss this Adam, you can either PM me, start a new thread, or do what you did last time because you knew I was right, and ignore it.

If you really wanna chat, my numbers on my facebook account which you have, and you can give me a ring, I'm happy to discuss it over the phone to, friend.

Edit; Got the score sheet from my old computer. I can't remember exactly how the scoring system worked, but here we go.

Game/Adam's score/James' score/Craig's score/Ant's Score
1 5000 5500 5000 5000
2 5500 4500 6000 4500
3 5500 6000 4000 5000
Schemes 200 200 1000 1000
Bonus

Total 16200 16200 16000 15500

So. I fixed the matches did I?

[Neverata]

Everyone had print outs of the feb tournament results showing round by round match ups. If you need a copy on excel tomorrow Adam I can provide you with one? Just let me know. The match up got done on Swiss match ups like all my tournaments. So I'm sorry if you think I've fixed it, it's quite the opposite, and it will continue to be drawn by Swiss from round 1 results onwards.

Id like to stress here of course, I've never fixed a tournament match up in my life, and hopefully people attending my tournaments will stand by me on this one and new comers will see this at the GT

[nilus]

No offense to my cousins across the pond but you UK guys are kinda intense. I don't think the US Malifaux tourney scene has nearly as much drama.

So with the fact that US rankings are now starting does this mean I need to start reporting my tournies to some site or some such?

[ukrocky]

No offense to my cousins across the pond but you UK guys are kinda intense. I don't think the US Malifaux tourney scene has nearly as much drama.

We watch too many TV soaps ;)

[Neverata]

We watch too many TV soaps ;)

And eat too many skittles

[nilus]

We watch too many TV soaps ;)

You mean there is more on TV in the UK then just Doctor Who and its spin offs. I don't buy it. :)

I mean BBC America seems to run Star Trek TNG 5 nights a week for no other reason then Patrick Stewart is on the show.

[Neverata]

You mean there is more on TV in the UK then just Doctor Who and its spin offs. I don't buy it. :)

I mean BBC America seems to run Star Trek TNG 5 nights a week for no other reason then Patrick Stewart is on the show.

Dont underestimate watching doctor who whilst eating skittles ;)

[Stern]

And eat too many skittles

its definitely the skittles and lack of sleep!

[Fulgrima]

its definitely the skittles and lack of sleep!

Personally I blame cherry coke.

[nilus]

Personally I blame cherry coke.

These are all UK slang terms for drugs right?

[Chucklemonkey]

No offense to my cousins across the pond but you UK guys are kinda intense. I don't think the US Malifaux tourney scene has nearly as much drama.

So with the fact that US rankings are now starting does this mean I need to start reporting my tournies to some site or some such?

You have to remember that with the UK being so small it means that the players come across each other more, it probably gives rise to more room for disagreements between the players at the top of the rankings who take such matters seriously, whereas in the US I imagine the top players may be from completely different coastlines and may never even play each other.

I believe one of the pro's put forward of rankings was the drawing in of new players. I'm fairly sure any players taking a look at the system and seeing these threads will not be interested in attending due to the nature of the discourse taking place.

What is it, 3 months in, and there are already arguments about score fixing?

Edit: Whilst trying to steer clear of the merits of rankings, I do know that a number of top warmachine players who are not switched on with RHQ plan on doing so before telling the organiser where to stick the invitation thereby making the composition of the tourney nothing like a top 16.

[Fulgrima]

You have to remember that with the UK being so small it means that the players come across each other more, it probably gives rise to more room for disagreements between the players at the top of the rankings who take such matters seriously, whereas in the US I imagine the top players may be from completely different coastlines and may never even play each other.

I believe one of the pro's put forward of rankings was the drawing in of new players. I'm fairly sure any players taking a look at the system and seeing these threads will not be interested in attending due to the nature of the discourse taking place.

What is it, 3 months in, and there are already arguments about score fixing?

I believe both the events in question are before rankings got introduced and I don't believe for a second that Jo would fix anything. The Malifaux events I have been to run by her have been the best events I have ever been to and everyone should go to them.

[Chucklemonkey]

I believe both the events in question are before rankings got introduced and I don't believe for a second that Jo would fix anything. The Malifaux events I have been to run by her have been the best events I have ever been to and everyone should go to them.


I wasn't implying anybody fixed anything, just saying that there already seems to be an argument about it and that can't be good by anyone's standard.

[Clousseau]

Can I just point out that my feelings on this subject (and ignoring the off thread drift) are about the principle of the event itself, and not the organiser (Neverata).

Looking forward to some interesting & positive discussions during break time at Sunday's tournament!

[Calmdown]

I have a question for you, tournament organisers.

If someone does something wrong and the game proceeds, and it is later (during the game) found out that they did something wrong and it was to their benefit, what would you do?


PS one thing Ive learned over my too many years is that if you dont want to be accused of fixing draws, you have to make them public. Major sports do it for a reason. Simples!

[merces]

first important things,
you still have skittles in the UK ? wow, i want a ton.

in what i see here, over belgium, in a lot of games mistakes are made, disbenifiets forgotten, rules played wrong.
nothing intended to be cheated, just a new crew or a misinterpretation of the rules.
as it sometimes hurts the moment itself, it should al be forgotten over a good pint (and maybe a decent discussion).

as for the fixing part. we here somethings fix oponents.
on tournies a lot of us are from the same club, so we play against eachoter every week. it is fun and nice if we go elsewhere we can play against other players we don't offen see.
would feel wrong, traveling to the UK, and then playing 5 games against my own budys.
off course, its a choice of the organiser.

so, obey your organiser, wheter you like it or not, they have the last call, putting their effort and time in it, so we can play.

grtz
merces

[magicpockets]

Craig, no need to delete your post - if it's how you feel fair enough, why should you put anything else.

I have very different recollections to you and re the GT I dropped it because at the time of the event when I "complained" to Jo about what had happened it was only in the conversation afterwards I realised you guys were friends and my objection was going nowhere.

Re the HD, very different recollection and I still remember mine and james' surprise we were playing each other. And weird how I've been saying the same thing since it happened and it's only now I've put it on a public forum that 'explainations' have appeared.

Like I say, in the big scheme of things (little toys and fairy tales so to speak) Im not too bothered and I certainly don't have hard feelings for anyone, I just pick which events I go to now. Have to say though I find it kinda funny that I'm the player everyone (even the UKs "top player") wants to dodge - caustic aura FTW I guess ;)

On a side, Sunday should be interesting now :D

[mythicFOX]

Given we were both joint overnight leaders at the event Adam I was in no way surprised to be playing you the next morning. I for one have no doubts that the event was fairly run by a dedicated individual that gives a phenomenal amount of her time to Malifaux in the UK.

No one cared when you 'rage quit' the hobby before. Trying to stir up trouble again now is once again a transparent attempt to poison and gain sympathy from the community.

It's sad Adam, it's sad and it has to stop.

[Oshova]

Adam, please don't knock toy soldiers and fairy tales. They make the world go round.

From my recollection of the Ho Down (and I was sat round the table for most of the discussion, cos I'm a lazy lay-about and have nothing better to do =p) the draw had not been done, and conversation turned to it being interesting if Adam and Craig played again, after their GT dispute. Jo is awesome, and I don't believe she would let personal opinion make a decision.

Stuff happens, and life's a beach. Or something like that . . .

Tim

[Clousseau]

I have a question for you, tournament organisers.

If someone does something wrong and the game proceeds, and it is later (during the game) found out that they did something wrong and it was to their benefit, what would you do?


PS one thing Ive learned over my too many years is that if you dont want to be accused of fixing draws, you have to make them public. Major sports do it for a reason. Simples!

Firstly as soon as something has been identified, investigate, try to fix if possible and ensure it doesn't happen again, all in as fair a manner as possible. (e.g. in an AT-43 tournie I ran someone had an illegal list that I'd missed. This was corrected and his points from round 1 amended after a quiet word with the individual. No problem).

As for the draws, I'll be using Ratty's tournament organiser which takes away any issues past round one. Round one can be redone, and I'd do that to try to ensure a fair balance of round one games (such asavoiding same club matches) - it doesn't allow specific match-ups.

At the end of the day a good TO will be running events on a regular basis with consistent or increasing numbers of entrants to the benefit of those taking part. Hell, we're certainly not in it for the fame or fortune!

[Kaine]

I never knew we could specify preferences for the GT.

Jo, can you make sure i dont play Craig or James please

Ohh and no neverborn players

Ohh and no hamelin players

errr or anyone remotely good at the game


Cheers Jo :)

[magicpockets]

Given we were both joint overnight leaders at the event Adam I was in no way surprised to be playing you the next morning. I for one have no doubts that the event was fairly run by a dedicated individual that gives a phenomenal amount of her time to Malifaux in the UK.

No one cared when you 'rage quit' the hobby before. Trying to stir up trouble again now is once again a transparent attempt to poison and gain sympathy from the community.

It's sad Adam, it's sad and it has to stop.

And out comes the clique and the personal attacks, politics in action. I know there's no point arguing this as the certain vocal majority will stick up for each other no matter what, just like with rankings and undoubtedly with the upcoming Masters event.

(for the record that doesn't include clousseau and oshova who've posted above)

Just sad that anyone who disagrees or dare step out of line is cast out as a trouble maker, over reacting, unreasonable or "in the minority". And I love how bringing up something only in the context of the thread and without specifics which I've bit my toungue over for a year is me trying to *add dramatic reverb* "poison the community".

I contribute more than most to this community, and even parade around with a big fake grin on about rankings for the sake of the community, and the only reason Im getting abuse is because I've got the balls to stand up and disagree and say what I think rather than join in with the brown nosing that's so prevalent in the UK scene.

Am I polite and courteous to everyone on the scene? Of course. Do I want to get on with everyone I play against? Sure. Am I going to lose sleep if a few narrow minded people want to stew about how much they dislike me for speaking my mind? No, because at the end of the day I simply dont care.

[magicpockets]

Adam, please don't knock toy soldiers and fairy tales. They make the world go round.

From my recollection of the Ho Down (and I was sat round the table for most of the discussion, cos I'm a lazy lay-about and have nothing better to do =p) the draw had not been done, and conversation turned to it being interesting if Adam and Craig played again, after their GT dispute. Jo is awesome, and I don't believe she would let personal opinion make a decision.

Stuff happens, and life's a beach. Or something like that . . .

Tim

I'm not sure I was there for that? Im referring to a chat between me, Jo, Craig and James at the end of the first days gaming.

Ordered an iPhone 4S btw - let's see how Siri copes with Malifaux ;)

[ukrocky]

And weird how I've been saying the same thing since it happened and it's only now I've put it on a public forum that 'explainations' have appeared.

You haven't been saying anything since it happened as everytime I've tried to talk to you about it you've played it down! This is the first time it's been brought up publically so the first time you've given me a chance to explain.


And out comes the clique and the personal attacks, politics in action

And calling me a cheat and a match fixer isn't a personal attack...?


and undoubtedly with the upcoming Masters event.

I don't know if you've read the thread you linked, but I'm disagreeing with it?

[mythicFOX]

Again with another play for sympathy. This isn't about your views on Rankings or masters Adam. You've chosen to accuse two people of cheating and dragged me into it by claiming I agreed with you.

That is out of order and I have no issue calling you on it.

[magicpockets]

You haven't been saying anything since it happened as everytime I've tried to talk to you about it you've played it down! This is the first time it's been brought up publically so the first time you've given me a chance to explain.



And calling me a cheat and a match fixer isn't a personal attack...?



I don't know if you've read the thread you linked, but I'm disagreeing with it?

The ironic thing is your the person I'm least p*seed at over everything. The gremlin thing, not quite as clean cut as you say (ophellia was at the back as I had assassinate iirc, it was the main gunline in the middle which annihilated everything) but the bottom line is who knows what would have happened. My issue is what happened after I spoke to the TO about it.

Re "cheat and match fixer" being personal attacks, I should have said "baseless" personal attacks ;) there's no way you didn't know about "whoops" and you did cry off about facing me at the HD (EDIT- from the results you posted it seems like you were right to insist the draw was done fair - I'd assumed it was being done fair and I'd ended up facing you based on results and then it got changed afterwards.) But that's your prerogative as a player, like I say my real issue was how the TO handled it.

And I know your disagreeing at the top of the thread about masters (with some very good reasons why its a bad idea) but equally you're also saying you'll "probably" come round to them. Time will tell.

For the record, Craig there are no hard feelings on my end towards you beyond wry frustration.

[magicpockets]

Again with another play for sympathy. This isn't about your views on Rankings or masters Adam. You've chosen to accuse two people of cheating and dragged me into it by claiming I agreed with you.

erm...where? All I said was that on the day we were surprised to be playing each other as the chat me, you, Jo and Craig had had ended with me vs Craig planned for the morning.

Or are you saying that chat never took place and we didn't have that conversation on the second day when we ended up playing each other? Iirc, the only reason you told me everything about LCB the night before was because I wasn't playing you the next day - ringing any bells now?

[Dumb Luck]

(All) Attempt to Drag Discussion Back On Track.

I use that.

[magicpockets]

So, invitationals then...

[Iron Skies]

Ok, plowing back into the Invitationals.
First thought = Buh?

Second thought = Really need to establish the tournament scene first, see the impact of Rankings after a year etc and have a look at the data before making a descision.

Third thought = If after looking at the data individual peoples scores turned everyone into 'That Guy' change 'em to masters etc.

Fourth thought = Curry, 'n'uff said

[nilus]

Yeah my thought is the rankings are way to new to be using them for this.

Instead what about having a few Qualifier tourneys and then a Masters at GT. It sounds like you guys have several henchman close enough together that they could alternate running the events so everyone gets a chance to try to qualify.

[magicpockets]

Building on Adams posts above, what is the point of invitationals? Why do they have them?

Surely rankings are there to establish the "best" player and tournaments become "invitationals" as they progress due to Swiss system (I think you'll know what I mean?)

Plus won't they impact on how people play ranking games? Take the first game I played at the Leeds tournament (against a really nice lad who won best sport, Josh Iirc?) - he was running a typical collette crew but was missing a lot of tricks so I could take the time to explain some ideas to him, also a few times he made some decisions then asked if he could go back and change his mind which is always cool with me (even in the last game at Birmingham expo, on the last activation which would decide who outa of the two of us got 1st place I didn't object to Ant wanting to change his mind about something he'd done - although I did make him flip for it lol).

So my question is, whilst it might not affect builds/masters etc - will it affect decisions like this? Will people become less forgiving with an actual reason to get the most ranking points?

That would kinda suck.

[nilus]

So my question is, whilst it might not affect builds/masters etc - will it affect decisions like this? Will people become less forgiving with an actual reason to get the most ranking points?

I don't think it will change anything. Anyone who is really hardcore into their ranking is the type of person who is just generally into winning so even if there were not rankings I doubt they would go easy on someone like in your above example during a tournament.

One of the up sides of a invitational tourney though would be that all 8 or 16 players would know that everyone else there knows how to play the game and play it well. So you could take of the kid gloves and really push your skill. Some people look for this level of competition and since Malifaux is still pretty new you rarely find a tournament where there are no beginner players.

[magicpockets]

Yeah, you could be right. I just know some players who wouldnt win a tourny but would go all out to make sure they get a place at something like this :(

[Oshova]

If there was a way to make it clear it's a tournament where it's all about doing everything 100% perfect first time. No beginner players. All people taking it seriously. But without it affecting all the other tournaments through the year. Then yeah, why not? I'm sure there are enough people out there who would enjoy some super-competitive play.

But advertising a tournament as being like that would put a lot of people off (including some who are really competitive). I know for a lot of people it's all about the challenge. Using different crews, using the same crews in different ways. Using 'weaker' masters or minions to try show you can excel using anything, not just the 'broken' stuff. So yes, you may be playing seemingly unfair match-ups all day. But wouldn't getting solid draws, or high scoring losses be an achievement in that situation?

For example, at the Bristol tournie I played against Ophelia with a Dreamer crew. Having never played that match-up before I didn't realise how unfair it was. But my opponent's victory was in killing Ophelia themself to deny me 2 VPs. That could easily be something that could decide what place you come, and is definitely thinking out of the box to make the best of an impossible game.

Tim

[Dumb Luck]

For example, at the Bristol tournie I played against Ophelia with a Dreamer crew. Having never played that match-up before I didn't realise how unfair it was. But my opponent's victory was in killing Ophelia themself to deny me 2 VPs. That could easily be something that could decide what place you come, and is definitely thinking out of the box to make the best of an impossible game.

I am a hero.

[Oshova]

Yes you are =p I expect you to come to the GT riding a pig! ; ]

Tim

[Drake]

I am intrigued..seems I have missed a lot of discussion over the last week or 2! I'm not sure whether this is too early or not but I for one like the opportunity to play in a competitive environment just to be able to improve my game further and see what other masters are capable of!
But whatever the level of competitive environment, if I'm not having fun, I won't bother with it as it is just a game and having fun comes first.

[Calmdown]

This thread needs more scandals.

[ukrocky]

@Calmdown - Come to the GT just so you can qualify ;)

[Calmdown]

@Calmdown - Come to the GT just so you can qualify ;)

I'd love to, but I'm the best man at a stag do that night :(

Though I do have plans to play via Skype and have Jo move my models for me. She's going to wear a head-cam and I'm going to play the game remotely.

[ukrocky]

Lol! Good plan! So you're back into malifaux then?

I'm still hoping you team up with aidan for the stockport doubles so I can meet you!

[nilus]

Though I do have plans to play via Skype and have Jo move my models for me. She's going to wear a head-cam and I'm going to play the game remotely.

Hey if that works out maybe we can have all you guys to play at Adepticon, NOVA, Templecon and Gencon over here next year. We just need to find a bunch of suckers to sit and move you models all weekend. :)

[ukrocky]

Vassal match with the winner of this event vs the US Master of Malifaux winner? :P

[Drake]

Vassal match with the winner of this event vs the US Master of Malifaux winner? :P

Craig, it's fine, a few of us UK lot will be going to the US Masters of Malifaux event next year so we can beat them in person!! lol So it will be the GT UK winner v the US Masters UK winner!!

[CunningStunt]

Lol! Good plan! So you're back into malifaux then?

I'm still hoping you team up with aidan for the stockport doubles so I can meet you!
He is.

More fickle than a woman

[Calmdown]

He is.

More fickle than a woman

And twice as sexy

[Fenrir]

Seems clear that Magicpockets was cheated out of a win.

[Calmdown]

Seems clear that Magicpockets was cheated out of a win.

Masterful trolling sir, I take my hat off to you

[Neverata]

Rules pack is expected for this by the end of October.

For the 16 players who accept their invitations, there is looking to be knock out stages, where the players who get knocked out are playing the..... other players who get knocked out!

The winners will then move on to the other knock out stages
The ideas are still being worked on but lets keep the thread on topic for the people who will want to accept their invites :)

Of course any constructive ideas will be listened to :)

Thanks

[ukrocky]

Knockout?!?!? For a 2 dayer?!? Interesting...

[Neverata]

Knockout?!?!? For a 2 dayer?!? Interesting...

Yes imagine that Craig :) I thought about doing something a bit different for a tournament that's a bit different ;)
Watch this space [..............................] (yep that space there)

[Clousseau]

I suppose knockout could work with the top 8 from day 1 playing each other, and then the bottom 8, so you are playing people of a similar level of competitiveness. And those of us in the bottom 8 can have a fun (more fun) day! Need to take care that people don't play the same person too often!

[Neverata]

I suppose knockout could work with the top 8 from day 1 playing each other, and then the bottom 8, so you are playing people of a similar level of competitiveness. And those of us in the bottom 8 can have a fun (more fun) day! Need to take care that people don't play the same person too often!

Dave, thats the idea :)
1st will be paired with 8th for the first round etc and then knockout from there.
But like i say, it's in the making at the moment to make it as enjoyable and as varied as possible :)

[Kaine]

Out of curiosity, is the invitational, a ranked event in itself ?

[Neverata]

Out of curiosity, is the invitational, a ranked event in itself ?

Hey dave. Don't know, I doubt it though

[Calmdown]

Knockout?!?!? For a 2 dayer?!? Interesting...

Double Elimination works well here too, so a 2 dayer is more likely to be an actual 2 dayer.

Or at least a really good night out on the Saturday for the people who tank.

[ukrocky]

The WFB rankings aren't usually ranked.

[pharaoh]

Well, interesting to see that the same 5 people are having the debate here as for the entire UK scene. I guess that like the whole rankings introduction the rest of the 'community' have learned that the fait accomplis has been delivered and so they may as well ignore it or accept it.

Entirely underwhelmed.

[mythicFOX]

Well, interesting to see that the same 5 people are having the debate here as for the entire UK scene. I guess that like the whole rankings introduction the rest of the 'community' have learned that the fait accomplis has been delivered and so they may as well ignore it or accept it.

Entirely underwhelmed.

The mistake is to believe there is one 'right' way to enjoy Malifaux. If you don't want to participate with the part of the community that enjoys ranked/competitive events that's fine. However don't expect those of us that do to stop having fun the way we want to just because you don't like it.

I wouldn't dream of telling you to stop playing Malifaux however you do it now. So please do us the courtesy of returning the favour. It'd be far more constructive for you to run and participate in the kind of events you like, then we're all having fun with our toy soldiers.

That's my 2p.

[ukrocky]

Well, interesting to see that the same 5 people are having the debate here as for the entire UK scene. I guess that like the whole rankings introduction the rest of the 'community' have learned that the fait accomplis has been delivered and so they may as well ignore it or accept it.

Entirely underwhelmed.

If you wanted to contribute you weren't banned from the thread? I don't really understand the point to your post? :s

[Drake]

Whoever wins this though, has to go to GenCon next year to compete in the Master of Malifaux tournament! The best of UK taking on the best US has to offer. Good thing Im organising and going on the UK delegation to GenCon! haha

[Neverata]

Well, interesting to see that the same 5 people are having the debate here as for the entire UK scene. I guess that like the whole rankings introduction the rest of the 'community' have learned that the fait accomplis has been delivered and so they may as well ignore it or accept it.

Entirely underwhelmed.

I've never spoken for the entire uk scene, and like James says, I don't tell you how to game so either come and meet us face to face and see we are nice people loving our hobby or extend the courtesy of letting us game as we wish

The uk doubles and team GTs next year are unranked, I'll look forward to seeing you there supporting some unranked malifaux :) will be a good year for malifaux

[Fenrir]

The uk doubles and team GTs next year are unranked, I'll look forward to seeing you there supporting some unranked malifaux

Same clique, same difference.

[MunkeyKungFu]

The uk doubles and team GTs next year are unranked, I'll look forward to seeing you there supporting some unranked malifaux :) will be a good year for malifaux

For this you are my hero well heroine. I am glad to see that some of the BIG tournaments are not going down the must be rankings events to draw large numbers that has been plaguing the 40k scene!

[mythicFOX]

Same clique, same difference.

Same troll, same single line of venom.

CalmDown came to the Northampton event at the weekend. After three games and a lot of beer down the pub afterward he found out this 'clique' people keep accusing us of being is just a welcoming bunch of people who like to meet up and play Malifaux.

Come and meet us Fenrir, or organise an event and we'll come and meet you. No reason we can't all just get along.

[MunkeyKungFu]

CalmDown came to the Northampton event at the weekend. After three games and a lot of beer down the pub afterward he found out this 'clique' people keep accusing us of being is just a welcoming bunch of people who like to meet up and play Malifaux.


The thing I will say to this is a none troll way as I like to try and be constructive. Is if it is about the socialising, meeting new people and playing a few games, then why does rankings need to be in the equation which could alienate a portion of the players.

On the 40k scene it is infuriating to see the tournament scene has gotten to a stage where the first question on peoples minds to decide on attending an event is "is it rankings" purely because they want to extend their online i'm amazing ranking ego instead of the above of just playing a few fun games which ultimately what miniature gaming is all about.

[Neverata]

For this you are my hero well heroine. I am glad to see that some of the BIG tournaments are not going down the must be rankings events to draw large numbers that has been plaguing the 40k scene!

Heroine, hoorah :)

The singles GT is ranked this year to see how it goes, the other events non ranked to see how that goes!
Diverse and different is good. And I'm open to ideas and suggestions at every twist and turn.

Let's see how they both go :D I for one am excited for next years tournaments.

[Neverata]

Same troll, same single line of venom.

CalmDown came to the Northampton event at the weekend. After three games and a lot of beer down the pub afterward he found out this 'clique' people keep accusing us of being is just a welcoming bunch of people who like to meet up and play Malifaux.

Come and meet us Fenrir, or organise an event and we'll come and meet you. No reason we can't all just get along.

More than just a few beers I fear....there was also a jagerbomb.....

[CunningStunt]

More than just a few beers I fear....there was also a jagerbomb.....

There was also a lost hour, a redunkulously expensive taxi ride home and the saving of the X-Factor.

How could anyone not enjoy an evening like that?

[Calmdown]

Err, I turned up at the Malifaux tourney in Northampton having

a) had voiciferous arguments with MythicFOX at the very least, and many other members of the forum
b) never spoken to any of these people before

We had some chats at gaming tables and at 5.30, went the pub, stayed there for 7 hours.

It's only a clique if people are seeking to segregate people. I dont think they can be accused of that (and I'm aware that they now includes me). I dont honestly think I've been involved with any bunch of nerds in my years of nerdery that tried to segregate people, honestly. Most nerds are welcoming. We all share a slightly unusual common interest after all.

And the fact that I know them wont stop me disagreeing with the stuff I disagree with them on, so where's the problem?

[Neverata]

Err, I turned up at the Malifaux tourney in Northampton having

a) had voiciferous arguments with MythicFOX at the very least, and many other members of the forum
b) never spoken to any of these people before

We had some chats at gaming tables and at 5.30, went the pub, stayed there for 7 hours.

It's only a clique if people are seeking to segregate people. I dont think they can be accused of that. I dont honestly think I've been involved with any bunch of nerds in my years of nerdery that tried to segregate people, honestly. Most nerds are welcoming. We all share a slightly unusual common interest after all.

And the fact that I know them wont stop me disagreeing with the stuff I disagree with them on, so where's the problem?

Agreed. If my opinion on something differs to someone else's who I know, I'll still put my opinion across and still accept their opinion as their own.
Unless it's about the x factor....that's just crap ;)

[Fenrir]

Agreed. If my opinion on something differs to someone else's who I know, I'll still put my opinion across and still accept their opinion as their own.


I put my opinion across, get told its venom.

Heres to the "UK community", unless you disagree about rankings.

In which case its "set yer own events up"

[Neverata]

I put my opinion across, get told its venom.

Heres to the "UK community", unless you disagree about rankings.

In which case its "set yer own events up"

I didn't say it was venom so why is that getting directed at me?
I have no control over other people's posts or opinions. I can only focus on what I'm doing and try and cater for everyone (not an easy task)

I'd like for you to give an unranked GT a whirl Fenrir, I really would. And we aren't a clique, just a bunch of people from across the UK just having a laugh. Which I'm happy to do with both newbies and oldies.

I can't please everyone but I'm certainly trying to and will continue to try and run all kinds of different events

[Fenrir]

I didn't say it was venom so why is that getting directed at me? .

Sorry, not directed at you.

I quoted you because I agreed with what you said - post formatted badly on my part.

Perhaps you'll see me at the masters.

[Neverata]

Sorry, not directed at you.

I quoted you because I agreed with what you said - post formatted badly on my part.

Then that's cool :)

Sometimes I agree that myself and a few people i know post things in haphazard fashion, but I don't say things with an intent to influence or belittle but I can't speak for anyone else on that front

I'm already running some fun, unranked Grand Tournaments, is there anything else that you'd like to see happen? I can (hopefully) make some magic happen

[Neverata]

Perhaps you'll see me at the masters.

there are quite a few people who aren't 'playing' in the masters who are coming up that weekend to play malifaux regardless. Would be cool to see you there, mine is a JD and coke Fenrir ;)

[Iron Skies]

Thought that was Patrick Stewart?

[Neverata]

Thought that was Patrick Stewart?

Could be, I'm typing on the forum and trying to manipulate pivot tables at the same time.....I cannot be held responsible for any stupid things I say in this time :D

[MunkeyKungFu]

pivot tables are easy, you have no excuses

[Neverata]

pivot tables are easy, you have no excuses

Only easy when you're not eating salad, trolling the forum, on the phone to garage wondering where your broken car is!
And not tired cos you spent Sunday night drinking too much and haven't slept since.....

Regardless, I'm not very sharp today :(

[Stern]

Only easy when you're not eating salad, trolling the forum, on the phone to garage wondering where your broken car is!
And not tired cos you spent Sunday night drinking too much and haven't slept since.....

Regardless, I'm not very sharp today :(

How are you still alive Jo?

Its official only Jesus could survive that ;)

[MunkeyKungFu]

Still easy even then :p

[Neverata]

Still easy even then :p

You come here and do my job today whilst I nap and get back to my epic normal self. I can pay you 1.20 an hour. Whaddya think?

[MunkeyKungFu]

What do you do and does it come with a complimentary shoulder massage?

[Calmdown]

and not tired cos you spent sunday night drinking too much and haven't slept since.....


htfu

[Neverata]

What do you do and does it come with a complimentary shoulder massage?

Accountancy. And no....my boss isn't big on shoulder rubs :(

[MunkeyKungFu]

No wonder your struggling! no shoulder massage no deal lol

[Neverata]

No wonder your struggling! no shoulder massage no deal lol

Spoilsport.....ok ok...new deal...I'll find someone to provide shoulder rubs but you only get 50p per hour...

[MunkeyKungFu]

You provide the shoulder massage and you don't pay a penny.

[Calmdown]

I'll provide the shoulder massages but it'll cost you.

[Stern]

I'll provide the shoulder massages but it'll cost you.

How much are your services? .... not that I am interested :/

[Drake]

hmm, this is certainly off topic! lol

I think it's good neverata is facilitating both ranked and non-ranked GTs...its good to provide as many people in the community with what they seek without alienating people.

You cant ask for more than what is already being organised, and if you have suggestions, its an open forum, so please post.

I for one am trying to appeal to the international's amongst us to put together the trip to GenCon next year, which I am sure will be a mix of competitive players wanting to test their wits against the best US has to offer, but also the fun gamers that just want to spend a few days experiencing GenCon and meeting like-minded gamers.

Roll on the good times and tournaments next year and thanks to everyone who is helping to make these events and the community stronger, be they tournament organisers, Henchmen or attendees at these events.

:tea:

[Calmdown]

hmm, this is certainly off topic! lol

I think it's good neverata is facilitating both ranked and non-ranked GTs...its good to provide as many people in the community with what they seek without alienating people.

You cant ask for more than what is already being organised, and if you have suggestions, its an open forum, so please post.

I for one am trying to appeal to the international's amongst us to put together the trip to GenCon next year, which I am sure will be a mix of competitive players wanting to test their wits against the best US has to offer, but also the fun gamers that just want to spend a few days experiencing GenCon and meeting like-minded gamers.

Roll on the good times and tournaments next year and thanks to everyone who is helping to make these events and the community stronger, be they tournament organisers, Henchmen or attendees at these events.

:tea:

I'll go, provided it doesnt clash with any other holidays!

[Drake]

I'll go, provided it doesnt clash with any other holidays!

Be great to have you on board! Check out the thread in this forum and see what you think.

This is still being planned and put together, but hoping to have some direct buy in from Wyrd if possible... fingers crossed!

[Stern]

Wish I could go along with you guys to the US masters... Shame I don't earn anything close enough to what is needed :(

[Calmdown]

Wish I could go along with you guys to the US masters... Shame I don't earn anything close enough to what is needed :(

We could start a fund.

[Stern]

We could start a fund.

wow! good luck with that

[Chucklemonkey]

hmm, this is certainly off topic! lol

You cant ask for more than what is already being organised, and if you have suggestions, its an open forum, so please post.

I for one am trying to appeal to the international's amongst us to put together the trip to GenCon next year, which I am sure will be a mix of competitive players wanting to test their wits against the best US has to offer, but also the fun gamers that just want to spend a few days experiencing GenCon and meeting like-minded gamers.

Roll on the good times and tournaments next year and thanks to everyone who is helping to make these events and the community stronger, be they tournament organisers, Henchmen or attendees at these events.
:tea:


And after that there is the opportunity of trying to fill up the gaps on the event boards. I'm fairly sure a cruise ship entering the Antarctic circle should have sufficient facilities for a tournament to be held...




I may be on my own with that one but I can see it.

[ukrocky]

wow! good luck with that

Mitch, you work for a living.

I'm a student.

Man up and save money.

[Stern]

Mitch, you work for a living.

I'm a student.

Man up and save money.

I would but i just earn enough to live and run my car

[Neverata]

And after that there is the opportunity of trying to fill up the gaps on the event boards. I'm fairly sure a cruise ship entering the Antarctic circle should have sufficient facilities for a tournament to be held...




I may be on my own with that one but I can see it.

Next years GT on a cruise ship.....just putting it out there....

[Calmdown]

I would but i just earn enough to live and run my car

Just wait til I ask you to paint my collection.

It'll send you to America and then some.

[Stern]

Just wait til I ask you to paint my collection.

It'll send you to America and then some.

If your willing to blow money on me, I have no objections :D

[Fulgrima]

Next years GT on a cruise ship.....just putting it out there....

Im in I love boats.

[Clousseau]

Invite received, and accepted. Travelodge booked.

Hope there's a wooden spoon for this tournie!

[Neverata]

Invite received, and accepted. Travelodge booked.

Hope there's a wooden spoon for this tournie!

There will be. I'm making a new thread now for the Tournament as i cant edit the main post with attendees on this one

[mythicFOX]

Invite received and accepted. :D

[Neverata]

Do you wanna put this post on the right thread James ;)