the dreamer and summoning daydreams

[boy g-moves]

Hi, can a dreamer summon a daydream even there's already 3 in play? Thanks!

[magicpockets]

Strictly speaking its no. I can't remember off the top of my head why but they're either rare 3 (which means you can only have 3 in play in a scrap/6 in a brawl) or it says only 3 can be connected at once. Iirc though, you CAN get round this by keeping some buried as long as only 3 are on play at any one time, but I'll need to check the reference unless someone who knows now wanders by :)

[karn987]

Strictly speaking its no. I can't remember off the top of my head why but they're either rare 3 (which means you can only have 3 in play in a scrap/6 in a brawl) or it says only 3 can be connected at once. Iirc though, you CAN get round this by keeping some buried as long as only 3 are on play at any one time, but I'll need to check the reference unless someone who knows now wanders by :)


There ability Dreams lets you hire up to 3 of them and connect up to 3 of them. I'm rather sure the intention of this ability is to make it so you can only ever have at most 3 Daydreams for a Dreamer you control as normally you can only hire and attach 1 totem.

So Dreams is what does it, he can only have 3 in play at once. But if one dies he can summon another, just so long as he doesn't have more then 3 in play.

[magicpockets]

Karn, if one is buried though you'e only got two in play and two connected, so you can summon a "fourth" and so on - i.e. as long as you've got no more than three unburied. Isn't that legit?

[karn987]

Karn, if one is buried though you'e only got two in play and two connected, so you can summon a "fourth" and so on - i.e. as long as you've got no more than three unburied. Isn't that legit?

Hrm that is an interesting point... almost never actually comes up because the 4th is really not worth it at all... but I have no idea what would really happen.

My guess is that you would either not be able to summon the 4th or you could not unbury a Daydream if it would make 4 in play. Can't really say firmly either way..

Need a marshal on this one to clear up what the intended functionality would be.

*Sets down Sketches Alter along with the cookies of answered questions*

[magicpockets]

or you could not unbury a Daydream if it would make 4 in play.

This would be my guess, same as you can't mature a young neph if it makes three Matures in play

[FearLord]

I don't think you could summon a 4th even if one or more of the others were buried - a buried model is "out of play, but still in the game and effects on the model... remain on it" (RM p.13)

Models with the totem characteristic must be connected to a master when they are hired or summoned (RM p.10) - usually this can only be one model, but Dreams allows 3 to be connected. However, they are still connected even while buried, and therefore if a 4th were summoned, it could not be connected...

[karn987]

I don't think you could summon a 4th even if one or more of the others were buried - a buried model is "out of play, but still in the game and effects on the model... remain on it" (RM p.13)

Models with the totem characteristic must be connected to a master when they are hired or summoned (RM p.10) - usually this can only be one model, but Dreams allows 3 to be connected. However, they are still connected even while buried, and therefore if a 4th were summoned, it could not be connected...

Could be. Makes enough sense and would solve this issue nicely. I'm trying to find an old old ruling on Maturing a Young Nephilim when you already have 2 Mature in play but one is in the Pine Box... but what you said sounds like the same result that came to....*prods the search function harder*

[LoboStele]

Pretty sure there's an old ruling around here somewhere that you can only have 3 "in play". If one is buried and you summon a 'fourth', then if you tried to bring the buried one back into play, you would immediately be violating the rules, and the buried one would be immediately removed from play. Either that, or the player would have to choose one to be removed from play. I'm not sure.

I think it's the same situation as like Ramos summoning an Electrical Creation. I had thought that you could summon it, even while 'another one' was on the table somewhere. The old one could be immediately removed from play (no explosion) and the new one summoned within 6" of Ramos like normal. This is typically pretty silly to do though, as you can just blow up the existing EC, then summon a new one instead. But there are certain situations where it could be useful.

[Adran]

http://wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10026&highlight=victoria+pine
Speaks of using another one to get a victoria whilst one is pineboxed.

[WEiRD sKeTCH]

Or you can just look at page 13 of the Rules Manual:


Models sometimes begin an Encounter out of play or are removed from play during the course of the Encounter either by being killed, sacrificed, or buried. Killed and sacrificed models are removed from the game completely; that is, they cannot return to play unless a specific effect allows them to do so. Buried models, on the other hand, remain in the game even though they are not in play and can return to play during the Encounter.

[Mentat_Canis]

Fear the Bear he quotes to you!