Creepy Fog vs Master of Malifaux

[Csonti]

Can Lilith with Master of Malifaux ignore the Stitched's Creepy Fog while drawing LoS? Or in other words: is Creepy Fog considered a terrain?

[WEiRD sKeTCH]

Creepy Fog is not terrain. It's an effect that has terrain qualities but is not itself terrain.

[Csonti]

A bear with ninja reflexes. I like that!

[WEiRD sKeTCH]

You'll have that sometimes. :)

[magicpockets]

Creepy Fog is not terrain. It's an effect that has terrain qualities but is not itself terrain.

That's awesome, does it block Hunter too then?

[Hookers]

That's awesome, does it block Hunter too then?


wow i guess so since hunter specifically references terrain, and obscuring is only a trait.

[WEiRD sKeTCH]

Correct.

Hunter also gets bamboozled by the smoke.

[Ratty]

Wow.. the number of times my stitched have got killed by Hunters sniping them.

I guess they still get to ignore the cover part of it if they are within 3" of a Stitched?


Hunter This model ignores cover and increases its LoS through obscuring terrain to 6”.

[WEiRD sKeTCH]

They still get to ignore the cover part of it if they are within 3" of a Stitched?
Yep!

[Ratty]

OK adding this as a note on the Stitched in the "Rising Power Card Project" (http://wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19972)

[karn987]

Correct.

Hunter also gets bamboozled by the smoke.


O.o this may be my favorite ruling ever. Take that Nino!

[WEiRD sKeTCH]

OK adding this as a note on the Stitched in the "Rising Power Card Project" (http://wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19972)
Just be sure to not list it as any type of errata. It's just clarification... ;)

[Ratty]

Just be sure to not list it as any type of errata. It's just clarification... ;)

It's just down as a Note. Like the Sword Dance ruling.

[Buhallin]

Don't have the wording for the Stitched's ability close, so not sure if it's the same... But presumably the same effect would apply to things like White Out (Rasputina) and Steam Cloud (Steamborg)?

[WEiRD sKeTCH]

Don't have the wording for the Stitched's ability close, so not sure if it's the same... But presumably the same effect would apply to things like White Out (Rasputina) and Steam Cloud (Steamborg)?
Correct.

[Murphy'sLawyer]

Now this is new to me. We have been playing it wrong this whole time.

[Darguth]

Would this be the same for Nicodem's "The Fog" spell? It counts as obscuring, but it's not terrain?

[WEiRD sKeTCH]

Would this be the same for Nicodem's "The Fog" spell? It counts as obscuring, but it's not terrain?
Yep.

[PlasticBoy]

I have to say that this ruling is very odd. It is completely counter intuitive.

This is part of my general view on Malifaux rules. Why make rules that are more complicated than necessary? A hundred special rules do not make a better game, they make a more confusing game. I'm not going to cause a fuss over this but I think its fair to make a comment on the direction of both the existing rules and the direction this game is heading. There is a lot to be said for some simplicity, especially within an already complex system.

[Darguth]

I have to say that this ruling is very odd. It is completely counter intuitive.

This is part of my general view on Malifaux rules. Why make rules that are more complicated than necessary? A hundred special rules do not make a better game, they make a more confusing game. I'm not going to cause a fuss over this but I think its fair to make a comment on the direction of both the existing rules and the direction this game is heading. There is a lot to be said for some simplicity, especially within an already complex system.

I'm certainly plenty critical of the rules and have been in the past, but this ruling seems pretty straightforward. What they create is not an actual terrain piece, so it doesn't count as terrain. Pretty simple.

[Odin1981]

I know this is a old post so sorry for rehashing it but please enlighten me (moderators only please) why stitched together don't cost damn near 10 points a piece?

After this ruling their is maybe only one model in the game that can actually target them (austringers) due to flat out ignoring cover.

I mean seriously take a look at this from this perspective most crews simply cannot get to them and they just put up a big impenetrable shield for your entire crew to just mosey on up and then slaughter whoever they are playing on top of pretty darn good ability damage the gamble your life ability. Aside from the fact that every neverborne crew from a competitve standpoint would be a fool not to take at least two.

Or is it just that from a design standpoint they are the "space marines" of this game. I mean really name me one master from the neverborne that is even just average in their entire faction (and don't even try to say zoraida is average or bad you just have to understand she isn't a semi truck compared to lilith or dreamer in the damage department and play her accordingly), and actually takes more than an elementary school level of intelligence to be played well.

I don't mean to be harsh so I apologise if this post comes off this way, and I understand by defination of the faction in the book they are deceptive, sly, and tactic inspired but in all reality this is just blatantly OP by taking just 2 models that are like 6 stones a piece you always get the initiative to hit opposing crews first because of this.

[Q'iq'el]

Uh, take Hans? If something is a really big problem for your particular crew, prepare to take a model to deal with it.

4" Aura isn't even the strongest effect of this kind - Nicodem's Fog is 6" and that means a lot of big stuff can hide behind it.

[ukrocky]

Neverborn are underpowered and stitched togehter are over pointed.











:D

[Csonti]

Odin, you didn't take into account the fact, that Creepy Fog expires at the end of the turn. So if you pack your high class minions and/or master behind it and lose the next initiative then... you are in trouble. Especially against crews with multiple Companion options. This is a huge gamble which is very fluffy with a Stitched but it's hardly a game breaker tactic.

Also there are many possibilities to deal with this. Hans is just one. Young and Mature Nephilims don't need LoS to make a Diving Attack. (You can even save your Mature after killing the Stitched with Lilith's Transposition or Lilithu's Lure or Zoraida's Obey.) All horsemen can make ride-by attacks against it. The same is true for the Coryphees or the Ronin. These are examples just by hart. I'm sure there are many more options.

Also, if you have a terrain piece on the board with Ht4, if you climb/fly/teleport on the roof with a Ht2 model, you do have LoS on anyone behind the fog.

I don't want to say the Stitched is a bad model, not at all. What I want to say that they are not unbeatable and they are not more underpriced than a few other models in the game. (Rotten Belle for 4 SS? Yes, please! Grave Spirit for 1 who can cast Molly's instant killing spell with SS use? Hmm...)

[karn987]

Then after everything everyone else said... you can always just Walk up and stab them =) Creepy Fog doesn't prevent you from walking into it.

But everyone above is 100% right, there is a lot more to it then just the surface level. Malifaux is complex and diverse and for every seemingly powerful effect, there are at least 2 more that can directly counter it and a number of ways to work around it.