Irresistable vs Blind Justice

[JustCam]

During our recent game night one game ran into a a rule conflict. Lady Justice casts Blind Justice and says anyone in the aura ignores irresistable when targetting a performer.

Which rule wins this argument?

Irresistable - Enemy models must win a wp-12 test when targeting this model with an attack or the action fails. This may not be ignored by any talent.

Blind Justice - Friendly models ignore increases in Rg and Def and any duels required from spells or talents to target model.

(Couldn't find anything on it)

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Blind Justice wins. WP-12 is a simple duel, there for the talent helps ignore that talent that requires a duel to target it.

This also does wonder for Nino to be able to blast away Pandora. 9 cb to def 2 even a master has a hard time cheating high enough.

[dakrulz55]

i would argue otherwise.

blind justice says ignore the duel and irresistable says it may not be ignored even though it is a simple duel.
so i think irresistable wins in the end.

[Hookers]

This may not be ignored by any talent.



if that sentence doesn't apply to this situation, when does it apply?

irresistible wins

[Wodschow]

Technically spells and talents are divided and Irresistible doesn't mention spells.

If it'd said Talents and Spells there'd been no doubt that Irresistible would win, and I believe this is the intention of the rules..

[Hookers]

Technically spells and talents are divided and Irresistible doesn't mention spells.

If it'd said Talents and Spells there'd been no doubt that Irresistible would win, and I believe this is the intention of the rules..

1) i thought blind justice was a talent

2) even if it wasn't i thought everything on the card were considered talents (actions, triggers, spells)


but looking it up, you are correct spells and talents are specifically separated and blind justice is a spell so it wins.

good call :vb_cheers

[Sliver Chocobo]

Irresistable - Enemy models must win a wp-12 test when targeting this model with an attack or the action fails. This may not be ignored by any talent.

Irresistible is a Wp->Wp duel not a Wp->12 duel, just so you know

[Ratty]

Irresistible is a Wp->Wp duel not a Wp->12 duel, just so you know

Your wrong Chocobo, I was chatting to WEiRD about this yesterday. The Irresistable on Lelitu has been changed to the wording on the Performer, which is a simple Wp -> 12. All abilities with the same name should do the same thing so either the Performer's or Lelitu's wording had to change. Lelitu lost out and the Performer's became the standard wording for Irresistable in the second printing of Rising Power.

[Sliver Chocobo]

Your wrong Chocobo, I was chatting to WEiRD about this yesterday. The Irresistable on Lelitu has been changed to the wording on the Performer, which is a simple Wp -> 12. All abilities with the same name should do the same thing so either the Performer's or Lelitu's wording had to change. Lelitu lost out and the Performer's became the standard wording for Irresistable in the second printing of Rising Power.

:( I assume this is the same for Nekima as well

[cain]

Your wrong Chocobo, I was chatting to WEiRD about this yesterday. The Irresistable on Lelitu has been changed to the wording on the Performer, which is a simple Wp -> 12. All abilities with the same name should do the same thing so either the Performer's or Lelitu's wording had to change. Lelitu lost out and the Performer's became the standard wording for Irresistable in the second printing of Rising Power.

Time for a new errata it seems. Or at least a notice about "New cards and new rules inside the new blisters of model x".
So can we expect the change for Nekima too? Means she could slaughter at will without getting a -flip.

[Ratty]

Either the ability will be renamed on Nekima or it will be changed to conform with the standard definition. It's in my Rising Power Card Project Thread (http://wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19972). Which is more or less an Errata list for Rising Powers.

[Ratty]

btw I also expect Blood Sense to have some kind of limitation placed on it now the Rule of Equivilence no longer exists.

[JustCam]

thanks for the replies.....

what i got out of it.....

Since spells and talents are seperated blind justice beats irresistable and no wp duel is needed.

irresistable works against ruthless and terrifying as these would ignore harmless and/or pitiful talents.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Spell is talent I concede my original post was wrong. The second part of irresistible clearly states can not ignore. If it said lose immunities it would be different but both spell and talent have ignore, irresistible would win on this one.