Multiple Q's - LoS, Hollow Waif, and (0) Actions

[Darguth]

Hey all,

Squeezed in a game last night after a pretty decent hiatus thanks to the new Rules Manual coming out.

We came across a few questions in the course of a Scrap between Leveticus and Nicodem, and after pawing through the RM I couldn't find the answer I sought in particular so I thought I'd turn to all of you. Any help is appreciated!

1.) Do Pulses and Auras require LOS to affect a model, or are they in anyway stopped by terrain with the Blocking trait? What if the terrain piece is denoted as having an infinite height (to represent a wall in an enclosed space for instance)?

Note: It seemed to indicate in the RM (don't have it in front of me for page references currently) that only when a target was being declated did one need LoS, which neither Pulses nor Auras requires.

2.) Does the V2 Hollow Waif's "Shackled" ability allow her to summon 6" from Leveticus as per normal summoning or does the text "summon to" mean she's placed in B2B?

3.) Similar to #1, do actions such as "Reanimator" for Nicodem which simply require one to discard a counter within X number of inches require the acting model to have LoS to the counter? Again, I'm not sure if you have to target the counters to discard them or not.

4.) When exactly does a model's activation ends when they have no remaining AP? Specifically, if a model uses it's last AP can it still take a (0) Action before ending their activation?

Thanks all!

[Darguth]

Anyone?

[Necromorph]

Don't quote me on #1 and 3, but I don't think you need LoS.

As far as I know, Hollow Waifs summon off of Leveticus as normal, it doesn't specifically say b2b.

You may use a (0) at any point in your activation, even if you have used all of your general and specialized AP. Your activation ends when you pass, or your model can't do anything else.

[LoboStele]

For #1, I'm quite sure that LOS is NOT required for Auras and Pulses. For instance, on Pg 20 and 21 of the Rules Manual, where it talks about Auras, Pulses, and Blasts, it specifically references LOS for Blasts, but not for the other two.

And on #2, Necromorph is right. The wording 'summon to' is defined in the basic rules for Summoning on Pg 55. If it is intended to be summon so that their bases are touching, it will normally say "summon into base contact". Otherwise, the standard 6" summoning rule applies.

As for #3, typically, when something requires LOS, it will either specify it, or it will use the word 'target'. So, in Nicodem's case, he shouldn't need LOS. Same thing with Ramos and Construct Spider, as another example.

#4: A model's activation doesn't end until ALL actions it can take are accounted for. Technically speaking, if you forget to declare a (0) Action, then your opponent should remind you that you must resolve that before the model's activation is completed. It might be that your action will be to Pass that (0) action if you don't have anything worth while to do. But all General and Specific actions should be used before your activation is over.

[magicpockets]

Like Lobo says, good rule of thumb is if it says "xyz within x inches" it doesn;t need line of sight and if it says "target xyz within x inches" it does. Target is the key word here :)

[Darguth]

Thanks all! We misplayed the Hollow Waif then, but it only came into play in a minor way. All the others we at least guessed right on. Thanks for the clarifications/confirmations.

[pugwhan]

On point #1

Pg 50 of the rules manual
Spell Basics
First bullet point - "Spells that generate an aura or pulse area effect, or affect all models whith a certain range to dont' requre a target to cast."

[Keltheos]

To back up what's already been said...



1.) Do Pulses and Auras require LOS to affect a model, or are they in anyway stopped by terrain with the Blocking trait? What if the terrain piece is denoted as having an infinite height (to represent a wall in an enclosed space for instance)?

Note: It seemed to indicate in the RM (don't have it in front of me for page references currently) that only when a target was being declated did one need LoS, which neither Pulses nor Auras requires.

Aura and pulse do not need LoS to cast.


2.) Does the V2 Hollow Waif's "Shackled" ability allow her to summon 6" from Leveticus as per normal summoning or does the text "summon to" mean she's placed in B2B?

I don't have my cards handy, but will respond later tonight on this one.



3.) Similar to #1, do actions such as "Reanimator" for Nicodem which simply require one to discard a counter within X number of inches require the acting model to have LoS to the counter? Again, I'm not sure if you have to target the counters to discard them or not.


Only target when it says target. Target = need LoS.


4.) When exactly does a model's activation ends when they have no remaining AP? Specifically, if a model uses it's last AP can it still take a (0) Action before ending their activation?


Yup. The model's activation ends when it is out of options for what it can do. Taking a (0) Action is still spending AP, so perfectly legal.