Rats and blood counters.

[Genetic]

I don't have my cars near me, but this came up in a game the other day.. IF a tater tot kills a Rat, will the tater tot gain a blood counter? The rat doesn't produce counters when it dies? Or is it just refering to body counters?

[ProdigalPunk]

Yes, the rat is not producing the counter, only triggering the tots ability to produce one. They also might be tokens now, and not counters, as of the new rule book, but I can not say the last part with certainty. Either way the tot can get a blood counter.

[MrNybbles]

They are still Blood Counters. Tokens represent ongoing effects like Poison Tokens, Burning Tokens, and Blight Tokens.

[Sandwich]

And therefore the Tot could not get a Blood Counter if the model killed was within 6" of a model with Voracious Rats.

[cain]

Either way the tot can get a blood counter.
And therefore the Tot could not get a Blood Counter if the model killed was within 6" of a model with Voracious Rats. A bit contradictory...

The RAW still says the dying model doesnt produce any counters. But the blood counter is made by the Tot and not the rat.

I browsed trhough old rulings but it seems their have never been an official answer.

[marshimartian]

The tot creates the counter by using a zero after killing a model, nothing to do with rat's effects, as the rat wouldn't automatically generate the counter without the ability

[Wodschow]

I agree with everyone saying that Nephilim would indeed be able to use their (0) action to generate a Blood Counter for the very reason stated already (they're the ones generating the counters, not the rats).

It's a bit more ambigious with Nekima and the Black Blood Shamans, but I believe they too would still get their Blood Counters from Blood Sense (again same reason). - I expect the wording on Blood Sense to be changed on the cards though, to at least take into consideration that ROE is no more - might be they change it further than that aswell.

[karn987]

For Drain Blood, the previous rulings on this have lead to the model with Drain Blood creates the Blood Counter not the dying model. So Voracious Rats doesn't even come into play in this case.

For Nekima and BBS with Blood Sense.... not 100% on it, but it looks like Blood Sense would still give them the Counter because Blood Sense is generating it and not the dying model again.

[Ratty]

My feeling is it's only corpse counters and scrap counters that are not generated.

[magicpockets]

My feeling is it's only corpse counters and scrap counters that are not generated.

That's how I understand it. And re the blood counters, nothing's better than taking tots, killing your own rats to get a blood counter, getting the rat back via Hamelin, and then maturing the tot into a young. Free upgrades all round ;)

[Genetic]

That's how I understand it. And re the blood counters, nothing's better than taking tots, killing your own rats to get a blood counter, getting the rat back via Hamelin, and then maturing the tot into a young. Free upgrades all round ;)

Well thats EVIL.. I like it :firedevil