Bacon Bomb and Jokers

[Gwydion]

The Bacon Bomb! rule on Stuffed Piglets requires you to flip a card and compare the suit to a table to determine the damage. What happens if you flip a black joker? It's got no suit and thus the damage is undefined.

I know the black joker is meant to be bad. So I figure the result is probably you sacrifice the pig and do no damage. But the math geek in me rails against this. Because undefined doesn't equal nothing. It's undefined. If it's supposed to be a dud bomb at that flip, it should say so.

[tadaka]

Far as I know it does nothing. The black joker all ways does 0 damage I see no reason that it would be different here.

[Vash Axis]

Tadaka is right. The Bacon Bomb action has 2 parts. 1) Sacrifice this model. 2) Before this model is removed from play, flip a card. If you flip the black joker (counts as 0 and no suits), nothing happens.

[Hookers]

Yep, and it doesn't need to be defined on the ability because black joker is 0 damage and no suit.

Alternatively, the red joker is any suit so you get to take your pick.

[Gwydion]

Respectfully, I disagree. The 0 damage component of a joker doesn't matter at all. This is explicitly not a damage flip. The suit is null. And there's no case to handle a result of null on the relevant rule on the card. Undefined does not equal 0.

As I said in the first post, I understand that the intent of the black joker is to ruin your day when you see it. But the rules need to be written in a way that reinforces that. And in this case, they are not.

[Wodschow]

Seriously.. You see a problem where there is none.. It is apparent to everyone how you should go about this and what the intent is - you can even make a RAW interpretation that supports that intent:

You flip a card and generate the effect corresponding to the suit.

Black Joker has no suit thus generates no effect.

[Darguth]

Black Joker has no suit thus generates no effect.

This is how I would read and treat it.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Respectfully, I disagree. The 0 damage component of a joker doesn't matter at all. This is explicitly not a damage flip. The suit is null. And there's no case to handle a result of null on the relevant rule on the card. Undefined does not equal 0.

As I said in the first post, I understand that the intent of the black joker is to ruin your day when you see it. But the rules need to be written in a way that reinforces that. And in this case, they are not.

There are many points to using as few words as possible in this situation it would be a waste of space on the card to add the words. Black Joker = 0 Dmg.