Ortega Clan cousins?

[Issalbotproto]

So is it just me, or would other people like to see some Ortega non unique minions?? just a hand full of 3SS rare4 cousins or something like that... I think it would be awesome!!

Does anyone else think so??

[thaehl]

Some of the Ortegas you already have are Perdita's cousins, this would imply that some are more important than others. and thats family favoritism and thats just mean. :)

[Lorenz]

I thought that the born on the bayou crew were distant cousins for sure the family resemblance is uncanny

[Issalbotproto]

Some of the Ortegas you already have are Perdita's cousins, this would imply that some are more important than others. and thats family favoritism and thats just mean. :)

Actually, just Nino is a cousin... I mean more along the lines of the fluff, they actually did travel with some of the no name cousins (grant it one got gored right off the bat) but still I just think it would be awesome

Also; with the THING in book 2 I think there may end up being an Ortega Henchmen, and he'd need people to boss around....

[nilus]

Actually, just Nino is a cousin... I mean more along the lines of the fluff, they actually did travel with some of the no name cousins (grant it one got gored right off the bat) but still I just think it would be awesome

I believe Santiago is a cousin as well, possible even Ninos brother. The only siblings we know are Perdita and Francisco.

[Wodschow]

Eh.. I'm fairly certain that Perdita, Francisco and Santiago are all siblings.

Edit:

I thought that the born on the bayou crew were distant cousins for sure the family resemblance is uncanny
Nice one~!:D

Ededit:
Santiago IS Francisco and Perditas brother, multiple references on that throughout Book2 fluff.

Edededit:
Santiagos Book1 fluff mentions his brothers and sister, so there should be at least one more sibling that we know nothing of.

[Ciaran]

I would definitely love to see more Ortegas! Granny was a great add, some "cheap" cousins would be fun.

[nightgaunt98c]

I agree. Young guns out to prove they can hang with the big boys. That would work nively.

[nilus]

My only worry is a handful of cheap, non-unique models with family might make Ortegas even crazier.

I actually think the fact that most models with Family cost 7 or more points is how they are balanced, since you can only take so many of them to alpha strike with. You get a bunch of 3 SS cousins who can join in and it might break something.

That being said I am all for more Ortegas :)

[Ciaran]

Nilus, you bring up a good point. Companion family alone makes them worth a SS or two more. I'd still be willing to pay that, depending on the rest of the build out.

[Whatsicle]

I don't see non-unique Ortegas being 3ss, because of the aforementioned companion (and because they're likely to at least have a Peacebringer). 4SS is still a bit low, because Guild already has Guard, Marshals, and Stalkers for that cost. 5SS though.. Same cost as Ronin, upgrade the gun and downplay the melee, swap out some of the ninja skills for companion and shrug off..

What would they call them though? 'Little Ortegas' doesn't seem to fit in with my image of Perdita!

[alemon]

While I'm all for a crew having some cheap models to round it out, I think leaving the Ortegas as all unique models is a good move. If you want cheap models for the guild, you've got the stalkers and the Death marshals; I personally like the idea of a crew in malifaux that is all unique models, even if it isn't quite like the rest of the crews that have cheap models. I'm a fan of having all named models in my crew.

[Issalbotproto]

I dunno, I just figured I'd throw it out there maybe they get shrug off sans companion with scout and stubborn to be a 4 point model
or something along those lines

I just think the fluff in book 2 really opened up to the idea of having some less powerful Ortegas to flood the board with since I go the feeling in book 1 that just the 5 of them decided to head off to Mali and ended up with a job and for it to end up being the WHOLE family out there I think it'd just make more sense to have some generic models

[TimeLapse]

Okay so this is what I think the Cousins should look like

2nd Cousen
Rare 4, Family / SS 4


Wk/Cg 5/7, HT 2, WP 6, CA 3, DF 3 WD 6

Peacebringer
Rg 10
CB 5:rams
Dg 2/3/5

Talents

Gunfighter

Stubborn

Neverborn hunter (Give hunter but only vs Neverborn)

Famliy first (Cost an extra soul stone if hired by a non family member)

Actions

(0) 2nd Cousen, This model gains compainon family

(1) Suppressive fire. This model Takes 2 Peace bringer strikes actions witch recive -3CB. These stikes may hit 2 differnet targets. These attacks may not activate any triggers.

Triggers

CB (:rams) Crit Stike peacebringer

Spells
(0) Shrug off

(0) Time to prove myself. (cc 12/Rst -/rg C) This model gains +1 to its CB when fireing its peacebringer. If the target is a Neverborn model it also gains +:rams to its final Attack deul total.


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So that is what I see as a possable model concidering what other models in the game can do I think at 4SS this model should be able to do this.

Just an idea, since it would be powerful to compainion i gave it the choice between that and two other zero actions to give it some flexablity.

-Andrew

[bigstupidfighter]

Using Time to Prove Myself against Neverborn makes their damage line 4/5/7, more if they flip a ram. Seems really high for a 4ss model, but what the hell Death Marshals can do that with Finish the Job and no one's crying foul so it's probably ok.

(0) 2nd cousin doesn't mke sense to me. Having Companion lets you activate after the currently activating model, so this doesn't do anything for you. Did you mean to have:

(0) 2nd Cousin: Target freindly Family model gains Companion (family)

That would allow them to activate one after the other like real Ortegas.

Overall I really like the idea of this model, it's strong enough I would consider running some in a game, but not so powerful it makes me want them more than any of the Unique models.

Changes I might make:

Remove Stubborn

Add Prejudice: This model gains +2 wp in duels where it is the defender against Neverborn and Gremlin models.

Let Time to Prove Myself and Neverborn Hunter work against Gremlins as well.

The reason I would do this is that effective wp8 is just way too high for a 4ss model, since wp tends to scale with ss cost. They hunt Gremlins as much as any other Neverborn, so their specail bonuses should apply to them too. Might even reduce their base wp to 5.

I also like the idea of them having something similar to the Slop Hauler's Betcha I kin' Hit It, although I don't know what I'd have them give up for it.

[AvatarForm]

While I'm all for a crew having some cheap models to round it out, I think leaving the Ortegas as all unique models is a good move. If you want cheap models for the guild, you've got the stalkers and the Death marshals; I personally like the idea of a crew in malifaux that is all unique models, even if it isn't quite like the rest of the crews that have cheap models. I'm a fan of having all named models in my crew.

Amen.

[TimeLapse]

Using Time to Prove Myself against Neverborn makes their damage line 4/5/7, more if they flip a ram. Seems really high for a 4ss model, but what the hell Death Marshals can do that with Finish the Job and no one's crying foul so it's probably ok.

(0) 2nd cousin doesn't mke sense to me. Having Companion lets you activate after the currently activating model, so this doesn't do anything for you. Did you mean to have:

(0) 2nd Cousin: Target freindly Family model gains Companion (family)

That would allow them to activate one after the other like real Ortegas.

Overall I really like the idea of this model, it's strong enough I would consider running some in a game, but not so powerful it makes me want them more than any of the Unique models.

Changes I might make:

Remove Stubborn

Add Prejudice: This model gains +2 wp in duels where it is the defender against Neverborn and Gremlin models.

Let Time to Prove Myself and Neverborn Hunter work against Gremlins as well.

The reason I would do this is that effective wp8 is just way too high for a 4ss model, since wp tends to scale with ss cost. They hunt Gremlins as much as any other Neverborn, so their specail bonuses should apply to them too. Might even reduce their base wp to 5.

I also like the idea of them having something similar to the Slop Hauler's Betcha I kin' Hit It, although I don't know what I'd have them give up for it.


The idea for 2nd cousin was that you had to use the zero action to compainion with other family member. I think it needs rewording, maybe something like,

(0) 2nd cousin If another family member activates with in 6 inches this model may use this action to gain compaion family.

or something on those lines the idea is to have a weaker compainion ablitiy but still have it there. It also has family under its name so you can link family memeber to the 2nd cousin but not the other way around without spending the zero action. It limits them in a way but makes them more useful in the list in others.

I love your idea of Prejudice and i think it would be better as well.

Also I do agree adding the gremlins to the anti-neverborn is a good idea.

I only put WP 6 down since all the famliy member have at lest 6+ save papa, but I think WP 5 would be good as well.

Maybe wryd will read this thread and steal this idea. =)

On i side note i forgot to put gunfighter on there skill list so that they can use there gun in melee.

On another note I was thinking about adding scout but then they just become a differnet flavor of witchling stalker and i wanted them to be there own. I think compared to witchling stalkers these are not as powerful in to them in some ways but in an ortega list they would shine, I tend to bring witchling stalkers in my ortega list and would reather have soemthing like this becaue they fit the team better.

-Andrew

[Sliver Chocobo]

extended family = special forces?

It's just a thought

[Ciaran]

Why not add:
(0) Family Get-together: Allows target Ortega Cousin within 6" to activate immediately after this model's activation is complete.

to all of the Ortegas, including the cousins?

I don't think they should be given Gunfighter. Only a handful of models in the game have it, it's worth a LOT to the combat value of the models in my mind.

[alemon]

While I'm still against the idea of having nameless Ortega cousins running around, I do like the idea of a special forces extended family.

Also, for the Second cousin ability. I think, since they have the family type, they can companion with other family as long as one of the main Ortegas are nearby and activate with them. That seems to fit.

You could have the Extended family special forces themed around Members of the family that want to prove themselves (an older/younger cousin, an old uncle type, a little sister/brother, etc.) They'd still be unique, but maybe cheaper models that give a bit of Ortega style/flavor to other masters that want them and a bit of extra oomph to Perdita's main crew.

[Sliver Chocobo]

You could have the Extended family special forces themed around Members of the family that want to prove themselves (an older/younger cousin, an old uncle type, a little sister/brother, etc.) They'd still be unique, but maybe cheaper models that give a bit of Ortega style/flavor to other masters that want them and a bit of extra oomph to Perdita's main crew.

The event supports Francisco leading the extened family

[alemon]

The event supports Francisco leading the extened family



...huh.

[Daniele]

Maybe instead of the "2nd cousen" or the "Family get together"-thing it should be less powerful (as i think it would be as a (0)action) and more like that victorias rule?
So they were kinda part of the Ortega-Clan, but no actual siblings 1st grade... Instead of companion they could switch or push the "real" Ortegas to within 3" of themselves or something.

So they could scout for them and get them to locations where they are needed to be the heroes everyone fancies them to be ;)

(1) Rally Family: This Model may either switch with a model that has the family rule or push it to within 3" of this model.

Or even as a trigger!
Df(http://wyrd-games.net/forum/../images/smilies/Rams.gifhttp://wyrd-games.net/forum/../images/smilies/Rams.gif) Rally Family: After taking non-fatal damage from an attack this Model may either switch with target model that has the family rule or push target family member to within 3" of this model.

[Ciaran]

Ohhh... those are some pretty sweet ideas.

[alemon]

Unless they were REALLY distant cousins, they would still have the family type, and companion would still happen if you played them with the rest of the family

I like the family rally idea, but it should probably have a range (12" or something

[Sliver Chocobo]

...huh.

it says that he is a powerful soulstone user, and it is possible for him to henchman materal

[nilus]

Just throwing out funny ideas for abilities they could have

(0) Kissing Cousins = Push this model to within 6" of Perdita

[Ciaran]

Unless they were REALLY distant cousins, they would still have the family type, and companion would still happen if you played them with the rest of the family

I like the family rally idea, but it should probably have a range (12" or something
I agree they'd be Family, I just wonder if they should innately have Companion-Family, or if it should be added with a (0) Action by someone else. I think it might help balance them a bit, as well as add a great new layer for managing resources with the Ortegas.

[alemon]

I agree they'd be Family, I just wonder if they should innately have Companion-Family, or if it should be added with a (0) Action by someone else. I think it might help balance them a bit, as well as add a great new layer for managing resources with the Ortegas.


I don't think they should have any sort of companion ability, I think they'd be fine just mooching off anyone else. What I'm saying is, They're family. If perdita is nearby, she can activate francisco and nino at the same time--and can also activate any "cousins" at the same time, because they are the family type.

Then, without a main family member, family doesn't count for companion because none of the "cousins" have companion. I think it's fair this way.

[Issalbotproto]

Well I think the idea of them being able to be companioned by the main ortega's would be kinda powerful, so maybe give them "can;t be companioned by family, but let them have the "family get together" so they at least have a tiny alpha strike set up

But I'm so glad to see this thread getting such a response I was going to try and think up a character card, but I was beaten to the punch

the other idea is have 2 different kinds of cousins like a support cousin and a regular cousin

[Ciaran]

Issa: I think that might be making a little to complex. I think the idea of cousins heading to Malifaux in order to make a name as an Ortega has a ton of merit. Having a layered structure might well muddy it, in both rules and fluff.

alemon: I like the idea of any of the "main" Ortegas being able to activate them as part of Companion-Family. Are you thinking it could only be Perdita? I think I might need a bit more caffeine over here...

[alemon]

Issa: I think that might be making a little to complex. I think the idea of cousins heading to Malifaux in order to make a name as an Ortega has a ton of merit. Having a layered structure might well muddy it, in both rules and fluff.

alemon: I like the idea of any of the "main" Ortegas being able to activate them as part of Companion-Family. Are you thinking it could only be Perdita? I think I might need a bit more caffeine over here...

I was not thinking of any special rule or anything; And not just Perdita, but the whole main family. The reason is not anything I came up with myself, but the set rules as they are right now. Anyone with companion family will be able to companion family members, even if those family members do not have companion.