Death comes with nasty sharp pointy claws!

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Thats right Im starting a topic on the Executioner, the seven point wonderboy of the guild army.

If you never tryed the Executioner you should he is one of the best guild models in the game, up there with nino in useablity and gains alot when working with the right masters. The executioner in my mind is a must add for all guild players.

Okay I use him in my Perdita list to great effect, I use eather Perdita or her totem to Obey extra moves out of the old boy to get him in combat sooner.

Here is a few points that make the Executioner great if you are new to him or the game.

1st. He is only 7 points for a heavy hitter that does base damage of 3/4/5 with a ram loaded weapon. And he has Critical strike that is atuo triggered if you want it to make his base damage 4/5/6. If you get a ram in you starting flips you get 5/6/7 damage.

2nd. He has paired weapons witch makes his triggers that much easyer to get off and makes it easyer to hit without cheating.

3rd. Anti-counters, he can get rid of corpse and scrap counters making great VS. Ramos or undead lists.

4th. He has Decapitate (Istant kill trigger unless the owner discards cards or SS)

5th. Love the Job, Slow to die. Since he can use love the job with slow to die he becomes vary hard to kill and a more stable model in the list.

6th. his targets get no DF triggers.

I can go on, the simple fact is that he is a 7SS point model that is one of the best add on to a list the guild have.

I have only really used him in my perdita list but I bet he would run awesome in a lady J list. He would be helpful in a Crrid list but I dont know how much.

Anyone else one to put there ideas or thoughts on the Executioner or questions about him please do so.

-Andrew

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Oh and anothing thing is his Final Repose is better then anyone elses since it states that the model he kills can not be returned to play, this incules models like Leveticus.

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Question, would you take him over a Convict Gunslinger?


He sounds great, but I'm having trouble fitting him into my theoryfaux lists.

I'm planning on running (35 SS) Perdita.



One of my lists

Perdita Ortega
Enslaved Nephlim
Nino Ortega
Francisco Ortega
Witchling Stalker
Convict Gunslinger
Guild Austringer
Guild Austringer

[dgraz]

Question, would you take him over a Convict Gunslinger?


He sounds great, but I'm having trouble fitting him into my theoryfaux lists.

I'm planning on running (35 SS) Perdita.



One of my lists

Perdita Ortega
Enslaved Nephlim
Nino Ortega
Francisco Ortega
Witchling Stalker
Convict Gunslinger
Guild Austringer
Guild Austringer
Hell yes I would. With the firepower in this list, what do you need the Convict for. Francisco is such a glass hammer that he could use the support that another frontline model would give. Also, why you would take the Convict over Santiago is beyond me. Santi rocks.

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I would simply because he is the melee help Perdita needs vs swarm armies. Though I have ran Perdita well without him in the past I think that he is a steal at his points.

Though this is what I would run at 35ss (though this depends on the mission)

Perdita Ortega
Enslaved Nephlim 2
Nino Ortega 7
Executioner 7
Francisco Ortega/ or papa (Depending on the game) 5 or 6
Witchling stalker 4
Guild Austringer/ or Witchling stalker (Depending on the game) 4 or 5
Total 29-31
6-8 SS Cache.

I like to have at lest 5ss On Perdita, as long as she has stones she will never die with her high DF. So the more you have the longer she will be in play.

Guild Austringer is an intresting model but range in a perdita list is really covered, I added one in the above list to keep the feel of your list mixed with mine. But if I took a list that was all mine this is what it would look like,

Perdita Ortega
Enslaved Nephlim 2
Nino Ortega 7
Executioner 7
Francisco Ortega/ or papa (Depending on the game) 5 or 6
Witchling stalker 4
Witchling stalker 4
Total
8-7 SS Cache.

I would only take Francisco VS a list that is heavy on the WP side or has obay. Papa is great because you can obay him far and blow up big. If done right Papa can win the game for you.

Now if I had Reconnoiter i may bring on more Witchling and a guild Austringer or two and start claming the map but thats only if im faceing a swarm army of Gremlins or silurids or need to have the range from far away.

IMHO guild Austringer work better in a Crrid or Lady J list to help bolster there range attacks. But thats me, I know alot of players who sware by guild Austringers as the most useful model in the game, but for me and my perdita list I find there use is not needed.

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Fransisco seems very good with all the reviews over in http://www.wyrd-games.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10666. For 5 pts it seemed great.

As for the gunslinger, he makes his case of being decent in CC as well, with undeniably good shooting abilities as well.

I wanted a flexible list in CC (wanted another witchling, but couldn't squeeze it) and the ability to perform good alpha strikes. :P


Edit- @Timelapse.

I do like the looks of the list, though I'm still a staunch fan of the gunslinger...

Maybe Austringers aren't needed, replacing them with an Executioner might work well for my goal and two fewer Austringers would be cheaper by nearly another boxed set. :P

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Yeah i think at 35SS this list would do well

Perdita Ortega
Enslaved Nephlim 2
Nino Ortega 7
Francisco Ortega 5
Witchling Stalker 4
Convict Gunslinger 6
Executioner 7

So a pool of 6SS at the end for perdita, yes I like the feel of the list, though I may switch out Fransico for a stalker if there is a alot of severe ground and you need more movement, also if there is alot of woods then the hunter skill becomes more useful.

But other then that I see fransico as more useful then a stalker with a better CA for both his gun and his sword. and in any game where willpower is key then having franciscos 8WP in df would be vary nice.

-Andrew

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Yeah i think at 35SS this list would do well

Perdita Ortega
Enslaved Nephlim 2
Nino Ortega 7
Francisco Ortega 5
Witchling Stalker 4
Convict Gunslinger 6
Executioner 7

So a pool of 6SS at the end for perdita, yes I like the feel of the list, though I may switch out Fransico for a stalker if there is a alot of severe ground and you need more movement, also if there is alot of woods then the hunter skill becomes more useful.

But other then that I see fransico as more useful then a stalker with a better CA for both his gun and his sword. and in any game where willpower is key then having franciscos 8WP in df would be vary nice.

-Andrew

I do like that one. It still has nice CC and shooting... It does have more of a cache than mine too, which was a concern.

Generally, the Malifaux players here are 40k players too, so we (usually) bring take-all-comer lists and roll missions after crew selection. I know it's wrong, but it can't be helped.

Thanks for the responses though! (You too Dgraz, even if I don't like Santi). Now to find a decent alternative to the fat wolverine. I'm picky with the models I use. :)

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Lol I agree about the looks, I own the model but in games if my opponet is okay with it I run my mini exy!

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/Lost_Time_Lapse/Ex.jpg

Same size base and has the right weapon but is now a voodoo doll!

I also run him with the normal Exacutioner in brawls since you can run two.

-Andrew

[dgraz]

No prob. To each his own. If you haven't tried Santi much, I recommend it. He's changed the game for me many times.

@Timelapse - love your Executioner proxy model.

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True, he does come in the box so I expect I'll end up trying him (and Papa) in the end. For now it's just theoryfaux for my Perdita lists. :tongue2:


I also agree on the model. Voodoo dolls are an interesting modeling idea. Probably affordable too if one is good with GS/modeling materials. Great "execution" in any case. (Oh I'm dying with laughter at that). :laugh:

[dgraz]

Great "execution" in any case. (Oh I'm dying with laughter at that). :laugh:
Wah wah waaaahhhhhh!!!!

[Hand_of_Vecna]

I agree with everything timelapse said about the executioner but, this thread should be about the jackalope which I plan to proxy with a simple white rabbit from one of reaper's familiar packs.

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I agree with everything timelapse said about the executioner but, this thread should be about the jackalope which I plan to proxy with a simple white rabbit from one of reaper's familiar packs.


Yeah I thought about the same thing after i made the name for the topic but it was the first thing that came to mind.

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Though as much as I love the model it is hard to put together, the mold parts are in all the wrong places, where joints have to fit making so you have to really work to clean out the area to get it to fit.

And of couse this is also the most flare i had to file down on a model to date but thats just bad luck.

And you will need green stuff to make this model or you will not line up.

I think the most work i have had to put into a model just to build it, and that incudeding all 18 Steampunk spiders I put together.

but in the end soo worth the pain!

[pancake ss]

He was pants for me last night, he walked x2. Then a mature neph TORE HIM A NEW ASS. That was the end of him. Second game swaped him for THE CONVICT GUN SLINGER. who was great paired shooters mmmmmmm.

[dgraz]

Thats not his fault. Those kinds of things happen. Your opponent recognized the Executioner's massive threat and used his hardest hitting model to take him out.

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It depends on how you use him, I use him in my perdita list and I use obay for most of his moves. Where as I agree that the convict gunslinger is good, I tend to use both in my armies.

The usefulness of the exacutioner though goes father then just his weapons, his slow to die and love the job is a great combo, also dg of 3/4/5 is great, you just have to be carful with him.

There are some armies, like the neverborn that he is not that great VS, with his good anti tokens and final repose. so If you are playing a fast neverborn list he may not make it in unless you need a heavy hitter.

A list 35ss list with
Lady Justice
Gov. proxy
Santiago
Executioner
The Convict gunslinger
Peacekeeper

All your main fighters have paired weapons, you cast melee expert on them with the totem/Lady j and you have one heavy hitting no need for cheating list.

Perdita and her totem would work here two useing obey to get models where they need to be.

-Andrew

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This would make an intresting 60ss brawl list,

Masters
Perdita
Lady J

Totems
Gov proxy 2
Enslaved 2

Minions
Exacutioner 7
Executioner 7
Con Gunslinger 6
Con Gunslinger 6
Peacekeeper 9
Santiago Ortega 7
Nino Ortega 7
Papa Ortega 6



Total 59SS with a 7SS cache

Swap out papa for fansico depending on the game.

[Hand_of_Vecna]

Ya my wife loves her executioner you do have to keep in mind that he's a 7ss heavy hitter meaning that yes he will go down to a 10ss-master heavy hitter. Guild's best weapon against something like the mature nephalim is to lure it out with the cheapest model possible and then activate 2-3 family members to conctrate fire on him.

I also had to green stuff his tubes together I'm considering painting the greenstuff life a patch rather then trying to blend it in. Also I just added a shrunken head to his belt and a spiked shoulder pad from a 40K orc to his left shoulder; that required me to take his backpack of and cut a peice off and reattach it.

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I put a wifebeater on mine since i didn't like the belly thing, I thought the back pack straps looked like a gun holster and made me think detective. So the wifebeater came next.

http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad1/Lost_Time_Lapse/exy.jpg

Sorry about the poor photos i only have my Camra Phone.

[Hand_of_Vecna]

Nice, I'll show off mine soon I haven't painted his conversion bits yet.

[Kealios]

Question:

"Paired Executioner Claws" counts as a Paired weapon? I know it might be a silly question, but I have learned that evocative or descriptive names arent always the same a game mechanics.

The reason I ask is in Book 2, many models with Paired weapons have it listed as an Abilitity, aka "Weapon, Paired Executioner Claws: Paired".

Thanks for clearing this up.

[Wodschow]

Question:

"Paired Executioner Claws" counts as a Paired weapon? I know it might be a silly question, but I have learned that evocative or descriptive names arent always the same a game mechanics.

The reason I ask is in Book 2, many models with Paired weapons have it listed as an Abilitity, aka "Weapon, Paired Executioner Claws: Paired".

Thanks for clearing this up.

If they aren't.. then NO model in Book1 have paired weapons, yet it was in the rules..

I think it's more than safe to assume that if a weapon is called "Paired XX" then it's paired.. At least if it's in Book1..

[whitekong]

Though as much as I love the model it is hard to put together, the mold parts are in all the wrong places, where joints have to fit making so you have to really work to clean out the area to get it to fit.

And of couse this is also the most flare i had to file down on a model to date but thats just bad luck.

And you will need green stuff to make this model or you will not line up.

I think the most work i have had to put into a model just to build it, and that incudeding all 18 Steampunk spiders I put together.

but in the end soo worth the pain!

I would think you either got a bad oe or I got a good one, I didn't have any trouble lining mine up as I assembled him, pinning for the claws went off without a hitch also.

[dgraz]

I've put two together and I only had one problem which was the same on both models. The cable from the left hand / claw doesn't reach the cable from the back, other than that they went together without a problem.

[Hand_of_Vecna]

So, here's my executioner with some extra bits from 40k orcs. Very happy with him overall.http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad318/hand_of_vecna/malifaux026.jpg?t=1281930402