Teaser: Kirai

[EricJ]

Our lovely new Res Master!

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[Lucidicide]

Haha. Finally those Kirai players will get some sleep and won't keep clicking refresh waiting for this.

[Aberration]

Synergy everywhere! Some really cool sounding abilities...gotta see the spirits themselves now haha. I personally can't wait to start pulling teleporting shenanigans and warping minds after a hanged gives :-fate to WP

[Ivellis]

Kirai sure summons a lot. I think I'll be waiting a while to pick her up for that very reason, but it looks like she'll be a lot of fun to play if you have the models to represent her summons.

[SuicideCommando]

Does her having +1 instinctual and the ability to gain Fast imply that she can have 4 actions in a turn?

[Sliver Chocobo]

Does her having +1 instinctual and the ability to gain Fast imply that she can have 4 actions in a turn?

Three (1) actions and two (0) actions

[U.S. Male]

Hmmm, it's hard to put her in context without seeing what her spirits can do. I love the idea, it seems like a whirling dervish of spirits, I have a strong mental image of a storm of spirits raging all over the battlefield. I just hope her crew isn't too tough, cause it seems like this could be pretty powerful.

[Nutcase168]

Just remember she burns a (1) action to gain fast (and heal and draw cards)

I like her, but I don't think she's my style of play. Look forward to seeing her across the table though.

[alemon]

The absorb spirit ability looks pretty coo. Also, I like the idea of spirits appearing and disappearing and switching places and all sorts of stuff happening all over the map.

[JayBarlekamp]

Damn, I thought Pandora was tough on Gremlins. She looks brutal.

Jay

[dgraz]

Don't look into the light! Stay away from the light!

I hate undead - always have, always will. Damn you Wyrd for coming up with an 'undead-type' idea that I actually love.

I already loved the models and I considered getting the box just so I could paint it. But now I might actually have to play it. I also see the spirits storming around the battlefield - the entire thing seems very cinematic.....

.......and awesome!!!!

[pigi314159]

Been drooling over her....and now I'm not quite sure what to think. I'm sure when I see what her spirits can do my questions will be answered. But from I gather, she's kind of the emo summoner. She cuts herself and new spitis pop out, and then she eats them to heal.

Her low Df and relatively low Wd imply she's a backline supporter, so I'm going to choose to assume that her spirits must be more combat oriented. Altho with her spell set she seems to be able to teleport around the board to dart in and out of combat when necessary.

I like her the more I read into her. Not one for the noobies, that's for sure. But now I can't wait to see what the rest of her crew can do.

[nilus]

Three (1) actions and two (0) actions

But note that she has to use a (1) action to gain Fast. So its really 2 (1) actions more and 2 (0) actions.

[jmp_mydog]

Really cool, I think she's my favorite so far.

[Hatchethead]

I intended to purchase Karai based purely on the sculpt, but now I'm genuinely excited to build a crew around her.

[Hayt]

DId I miss an errata or rule somewhere, or are In The Spirit World, Chill of Death, and Spiritual Combination permanent?

[Twizz666]

Haha. Finally those Kirai players will get some sleep and won't keep clicking refresh waiting for this.

We did too. =]

[nilus]

DId I miss an errata or rule somewhere, or are In The Spirit World, Chill of Death, and Spiritual Combination permanent?

Nope, like any other effect the end at the end phase of a round.

[Danyeru]

YES! :D My worshipping was rewarded!

Wonderful, as always. It looks like she'll take skill to play. Much like Levi.

[frozenkore]

I've been looking forward to this teaser and it looks intriguing. It seems like if I go this route, the box set won't quite be enough due to all of the summoning. I think this and Colette will be my two main purchases Thursday :blast

Question though, based on all of the summoning, can you start with spirits out on the board or do they all have to be summoned?

[Hayt]

Nope, like any other effect the end at the end phase of a round...


OK. Where is that from exactly? I am going by the rulebook where every spell lists it's duration specifically in the description. Did I miss an Errata? Can't seem to find one anywhere

[Hayt]

Nevermind, I found it.

[ProdigalPunk]

I like her the best out of everyone, and her mechanics seem to fit so well with what little fluff I have seen and the idea of spirits in general. The Rare 1 canine remains broke my heart though, hopefully there will be some nice cheap 3 ss spirits out there to bolster my army (2 ss with the spirit sub-type seems like it would be a little pushing it).

[Twizz666]

I've been looking forward to this teaser and it looks intriguing. It seems like if I go this route, the box set won't quite be enough due to all of the summoning. I think this and Colette will be my two main purchases Thursday :blast

Question though, based on all of the summoning, can you start with spirits out on the board or do they all have to be summoned?

My guess is, she can start with them. Kinda like Ramos or Nicodem can create all their stuff, but they also can buy any of it at the beginning. Just a guess though

[ProdigalPunk]

My guess is, she can start with them. Kinda like Ramos or Nicodem can create all their stuff, but they also can buy any of it at the beginning. Just a guess though


I would tend to agree or I would think she would have a very low SS starting box. Plus it would make a good amount of models useless to the other masters, and I don't think they would do that.

[Aberration]

I like her the best out of everyone, and her mechanics seem to fit so well with what little fluff I have seen and the idea of spirits in general. The Rare 1 canine remains broke my heart though, hopefully there will be some nice cheap 3 ss spirits out there to bolster my army (2 ss with the spirit sub-type seems like it would be a little pushing it).


gogo grave spirit! :D

[frozenkore]

I would tend to agree or I would think she would have a very low SS starting box. Plus it would make a good amount of models useless to the other masters, and I don't think they would do that.

Yea that makes sense, especially the usefulness to other masters. That would be a rather unwise decision to make the spirits that "exclusive" if you will.

Thanks!

[Chucklemonkey]

Love the theme, love the models, don't think I could pull of the playstyle though.

It's a wait and see from me.

(Thank god, all of the must have's were getting ridiculous)

[Placidemu]

The first image that pops into my head of this master is her cutting someones head off with her hedge clippers and than falling over bursting into tears....

But yeah her play style looks like it is going to be rather insane with all the summoning and sacrificing and teleporting around. Probably gonna take a while to get used to for anyone but it's really hard to tell without her other spirits. Cause maybe all her spirits will be like... uber tanks or have like a reverse martyr ability that allows them to take damage for any linked model or what not. Should be interesting to see how it pans out.... I'm incredibly Excited!

[Svenn]

Sooo... she's not going to play well with other Res models? If I take Kirai I can't have more than 1 Rotten Belle or something? Hmmm... I guess that's not terrible if it's just during scraps, but still.

Sounds interesting... she's got very little in the ways of attacks I see. Hmm.

[blakeh1]

I love the concept of the model. Really all the new masters previewed so far have really interesting concepts

[Vanor]

Sounds interesting... she's got very little in the ways of attacks I see. Hmm.

She seems to be a bit like Colette in that way. More of a mastermind then a warrior, who uses minions to get the job done.

She's all about summoning, buffing, and manipulating her crew to attack/kill her enemy then directly engaging them. Which I think is a wonderful option for people who like to play that way.

To answer the other question, it seems that way yes. You can't have more then 1 "copy" of a undead/living/anything not a spirit model in your crew.

Even in brawls that would be a factor I think. You can't have more then 2 of any rare model in a brawl, no?

[Placidemu]

Sooo... she's not going to play well with other Res models? If I take Kirai I can't have more than 1 Rotten Belle or something? Hmmm... I guess that's not terrible if it's just during scraps, but still.

Sounds interesting... she's got very little in the ways of attacks I see. Hmm.

Ignore my inability to read properly.... Smooth....

[dgraz]

Sooo... she's not going to play well with other Res models? If I take Kirai I can't have more than 1 Rotten Belle or something? Hmmm... I guess that's not terrible if it's just during scraps, but still.

Which makes her perfect for people like me who don't play the other Ressies. I can play her and not have to worry about getting the other box sets that don't suit my style.

[pigi314159]

She's all about summoning, buffing, and manipulating her crew to attack/kill her enemy then directly engaging them. Which I think is a wonderful option for people who like to play that way.


Altho, if you can get her within 8" of an enemy and then kill it, she could gain a seishin and a gaki. Assuming seishin aren't just complete cannon fodder and gaki are any kind of decent that's a 3 model swing....or control cards and healing if you wanted.

It just amuses me that she can teleport in, swing with her clippers, kill something, gain some number of models, and then teleport out.

[Aberration]

She seems to be a bit like Colette in that way. More of a mastermind then a warrior, who uses minions to get the job done.

She's all about summoning, buffing, and manipulating her crew to attack/kill her enemy then directly engaging them. Which I think is a wonderful option for people who like to play that way.

To answer the other question, it seems that way yes. You can't have more then 1 "copy" of a undead/living/anything not a spirit model in your crew.

Even in brawls that would be a factor I think. You can't have more then 2 of any rare model in a brawl, no?


The "Rare 1" Detached Rule applies to Scraps only :)

[dgraz]

I'm thinking that the Seishin are pretty weak since she sacs them to make other models. I'm assuming that they are the weakest, but can be "grown" into stronger spirits.

Edit: Woops, she doesn't specifically sac them. but she gets one everytime something is killed near her.

[Aberration]

Methinks they are scooby snacks, in spirit form

[dboeren]

Sweet, thanks so much for putting her up. I'm sure it will take some time to wrap my mind around her playstyle (plus I really need to see what her spirits do), but my initial impression is that she looks like a lot of fun to use.

[osoi]

Very Very excited to see her stats, will definitely be using her

[Zambayoshi]

Looks very nice, even if we do have to wait to see what her supporting cast will be like.

I love the idea that she is corporeal/incorporeal, like an oriental ghost. She's a bit like a banshee as well, with the crying and the willpower duel to attack her.

Love the model, and am intrigued to see how she will play!

[tadaka]

Im thinking we need some spirit spoiler lovin :) Way hard to get an idea if I would like this with out seeing the minions to go with her. Sigh hate preorders that make me drool :)

[EricJ]

I'll admit, I worried a little posting Kirai, because more than any other master (except maybe Hoffman), how she plays depends a TON on other models, most particularly Ikiryo, Seishin, and her Totem, as these models kind of provide both her offense and defense :D

[tadaka]

Well simple to solve just post some. Any chance you could post the cards after the con is open so we can figure out what to preorder :)

[Aberration]

I feel like I'm gonna have to wait for the book before I can even order Kirai :no:

[jmp_mydog]

I wouldn't worry about it. Her support models are the way she inflicts most of her damage. Her summoning is very different than anything else we've seen.

The seishin, gaki, onryo, night terrors, shikome and datusue-ba have so much synergy with her. During the beta she was one of my favorites to test. Seeing the final results makes me very happy.

I really can't wait to read her background story. I'll be interested to see how she becomes involved in the story.

[tadaka]

DUDE WTH we are trying to get more info here not a agreement she is awsome :) Now change your post to say additional cards are vital to the order process. They want $$$ we want cards its a win win.

[jmp_mydog]

DUDE WTH we are trying to get more info here not a agreement she is awsome :) Now change your post to say additional cards are vital to the order process. They want $$$ we want cards its a win win.

Some info like some of the models having both the spirit and beast characteristics?

[Lucidicide]

Some info like some of the models having both the spirit and beast characteristics?

Haha. You are informative and cruel.

[Veskit]

DUDE WTH we are trying to get more info here not a agreement she is awsome :) Now change your post to say additional cards are vital to the order process. They want $$$ we want cards its a win win.

Isn't that what the new book is for? To have all the stats in it without the need to post cards? Sorry don't want to sound snide, but if all this is published in the book (which I'm assuming they are) they have no responsibility to post anything online. We should just be happy that they do at all.

I for one am really happy they did since I sent someone to Gencon to get some stuff for me, and I had to quickly add another blister of Seishin and Gaki to the stuff for him to pickup because of the apparent synergy just looking at this card.

It not only gained them some more $$$ from me but also made sure that I wasn't going "WTF I don't have enough stuff!!?!!?!?" after the fact.

Now I'm still convinced I don't have enough stuff, because some of it isn't released yet from the sounds of things, but I at least know I've got a good starter on a 30ss game with them.

[tadaka]

I understand what your saying but here is my thought on this. I can pick up any model but the new releases and see what I am getting for stats before I buy. Because I am not at gen con and cant see new book it would be nice if I could see the stats so I can decide what of the new sets I would like to buy.

Yes I can wait and buy it later but they are offering us a chance to buy product. IMHO its the same as car test drive I just want to know what I am getting. Even if they give us the stats for all the new models there is still a ton in the book for the units there are no models for as well as fluff and new rules.

I am going to pick up the book as well as one of the new box sets the question is what one. Any of the other sets I would say ya i got a decent Idea of what I am getting. For this lady Imho the other spirts are vital to understanding what buying this is signing up for.

[Aberration]

I understand what your saying but here is my thought on this. I can pick up any model but the new releases and see what I am getting for stats before I buy. Because I am not at gen con and cant see new book it would be nice if I could see the stats so I can decide what of the new sets I would like to buy.

Yes I can wait and buy it later but they are offering us a chance to buy product. IMHO its the same as car test drive I just want to know what I am getting. Even if they give us the stats for all the new models there is still a ton in the book for the units there are no models for as well as fluff and new rules.

I am going to pick up the book as well as one of the new box sets the question is what one. Any of the other sets I would say ya i got a decent Idea of what I am getting. For this lady Imho the other spirts are vital to understanding what buying this is signing up for.


It will be tough without the book for the Kirai crew, I agree. Also isn't going to stop me from getting them though ;)

So to all of you playtesters who have used Kirai: are there any additional purchases that you would... recommend... purchasing before seeing the book? (I want to order it all at once for a Miss Pack :D)

[Veskit]

I understand what your saying but here is my thought on this. I can pick up any model but the new releases and see what I am getting for stats before I buy. Because I am not at gen con and cant see new book it would be nice if I could see the stats so I can decide what of the new sets I would like to buy.

Yes I can wait and buy it later but they are offering us a chance to buy product. IMHO its the same as car test drive I just want to know what I am getting. Even if they give us the stats for all the new models there is still a ton in the book for the units there are no models for as well as fluff and new rules.

I am going to pick up the book as well as one of the new box sets the question is what one. Any of the other sets I would say ya i got a decent Idea of what I am getting. For this lady Imho the other spirts are vital to understanding what buying this is signing up for.

Fair enough. Just a difference in philosophy I guess. I really was attracted to the models of this set so I was getting them regardless. This just meant I knew a little more about what I was getting in for.

[jmp_mydog]

It will be tough without the book for the Kirai crew, I agree. Also isn't going to stop me from getting them though ;)

So to all of you playtesters who have used Kirai: are there any additional purchases that you would... recommend... purchasing before seeing the book? (I want to order it all at once for a Miss Pack :D)

Get another pack or two of seishin and 2 packs of the gaki.

The essence of power and other spirit totems can be cool with her as well.

[Aberration]

Get another pack or two of seishin and 2 packs of the gaki.

The essence of power and other spirit totems can be cool with her as well.


much appreciated! :D

[Lucidicide]

Yeah, at the end of the day she was beta tested with the spirit models available to her and we tried our best to make sure that they were all useful for their cost. As such, it's hard to say one thing over another. It'll come down the play style. I think most people will pick up a bunch of spirits just in case. If you see it referenced on her card, definitely get it. Other than that, you'll probably use them at some point...

I know that's vague, but I actually do think all the models that are coming out right now will be useful.

[tadaka]

Fair enough. Just a difference in philosophy I guess. I really was attracted to the models of this set so I was getting them regardless. This just meant I knew a little more about what I was getting in for.


My first crew I picked up sits in a box and is not played because i thought it looked cool but did not fit my style of play. I am a gamer first modeler distant second. I like some of the models for this set and I am so so on others. I hope it has not come across that I think they owe me any thing. I just want to make a good selection for my gaming buck.

I think the big thing for me is because the clam shells will not be available for a while I need to make sure I like the spirits the set comes with because I cant summons Gaki for example or lots of the snake spirit things.

[Wyrrn]

Very cool concept, as usual. Thanks for the sneak-peek!

[PuniPuniShosa]

I'm curious about the Shikome. The third effect in "Evolve Spirit" summons a Shikome. I'm assuming it's a larger base model due the the higher cost. I don't recall seeing it in the previews, but I might have missed it. Will the Shikome be for sale during Gen-Con?

[dgraz]

Also curious about the Skikome. Haven't seen anything yet. Also curious about the Ikiryo stats, must be pretty tough to make Kirai lose half her wounds to summon it.

[DangerousBeans]

I think I'm allowed to say this now: If anyone wants to flush out their Kirai crew without getting the book (why?) You'll want to pick up another pack of seishin (or two if you have cash to spare) as you'll likely cycle through these guys like there's no tomorrow! GAKIS. Gakis are awsome! Again though, pick up two packs if you can, I found them to be the main thing I summoned (they work best in groups) and their cb trigger is much fun :D

You've probably noticed that Ikiryo is a freebie (and what a freebie!), so the box set comes in at about 2 gaki's under 25ss.

She can be a bit of a headache if you're used to playing Ressers as she's very different (as you may have noticed), much more of a "guerilla" playstyle but she's very rewarding when played right. Her ability to summon things within 12" is awsome, even though it may not seem like suffering a wound for - it can give your opponent a nasty surprise when ikiryo appears at an entirely new attack vector :D

[tadaka]

Bah 2 packs each my cash is all ready screaming at me lol. Thanks a ton for the info looks like this is going to be one of the more costly crews.

Beans can you tell us if the seishin are summon only or can you get them with soulstones as well?

[Aberration]

A little pricey indeed, but its a sweet crew. So 2x Gaki, 2x Seishin, are the gaki worth taking off the bat or much better being summoned later on?

[Lucidicide]

A little pricey indeed, but its a sweet crew. So 2x Gaki, 2x Seishin, are the gaki worth taking off the bat or much better being summoned later on?

I have fielded them from the get-go before.

[Veskit]

I think I'm allowed to say this now: If anyone wants to flush out their Kirai crew without getting the book (why?) You'll want to pick up another pack of seishin (or two if you have cash to spare) as you'll likely cycle through these guys like there's no tomorrow! GAKIS. Gakis are awsome! Again though, pick up two packs if you can, I found them to be the main thing I summoned (they work best in groups) and their cb trigger is much fun :D

You've probably noticed that Ikiryo is a freebie (and what a freebie!), so the box set comes in at about 2 gaki's under 25ss.

She can be a bit of a headache if you're used to playing Ressers as she's very different (as you may have noticed), much more of a "guerilla" playstyle but she's very rewarding when played right. Her ability to summon things within 12" is awsome, even though it may not seem like suffering a wound for - it can give your opponent a nasty surprise when ikiryo appears at an entirely new attack vector :D

Ouch, I got a blister of Seishin and 2 blisters of Gaki, looks like I should have gotten more lol!

[DangerousBeans]

You don't necessarily need the 5 seishin from the get go but I'd definitely pick up another blister. You can hire them into your crew and I usually started with at least 2, you'll probably sacrifice as many as are summoned with "absorb spirit" as Kirai is very Emo and likes healing a lot. There is reason have a couple kicking about at any given time, but I believe that's in the Seishin rules so my lips are sealed for the moment!

If you're limited in budget (or want to buy Collete as well, like me) a pack of Seishin and a pack of Gaki will get you by in smaller games. If you're playing 35 + though another blister of Gaki is advisable, 3 Seishin will probably suffice if your opponents don't mind the occasional proxying.

ARRRGGGHHHH!!! I can't wait to get my hands on these models! I've already painted them in my mind and they look really cool :D

Stupid uk won't be getting them for a few weeks though. Humph.

[jmp_mydog]

Unless it changed you won't ever need more than 6 seishin.

During playtest I usually ran 3-4 gaki and hired multiple seishin from the start.

Her totem is so cool though.

The night terrors are really great to add to her mobility.

[Lucidicide]

Unless it changed you won't ever need more than 6 seishin.

During playtest I usually ran 3-4 gaki and hired multiple seishin from the start.

Her totem is so cool though.

The night terrors are really great to add to her mobility.

Last I saw Seishen were Rare 5...

[GrandLeon]

I need this model, since the only other Resurrectionist is McMourning, but I don't like his crew.

[shekbo]

I see that the spirit anchor now only covers Killed models, not Sacrificed ones... it's going to be real tough to summon now. Maybe that was changed earlier. I'm still excited for her though... Best buffing/debuffing master ever with a side salad of summoning shenanigans.

From my experience you always want 8 ss with her, and proxy her totem from the rules.

Gakis are nice, two blisters might be handy.

It's good to have 5 seishin on hand, so the starter and 2 blisters....

[tadaka]

Any one who playtested Kirai try useing a nurse with her. Seams like the nurse full heal spell would go a long way to help Kirai out.

[DangerousBeans]

The nurse seems like a good idea on paper but in practice I found she couldn't really keep up with Kirai (who zooms about all over the place) and tbh in smaller games she's not really worth it since kirai has a few reliable ways of healing anyway.

As for things outwith her "theme", a rotten belle is always handy (spirits ain't so fast so "lure" helps and "distracting" your opponent before the Gaki's get in is ingenius). Gunslinger's handy for some ranged support and to cover your relatively slow spirits (although they are spirits so you can attack from strange and disturbing angles) which mitigates their speed somewhat....AND...........

.......GODDAMN IT JUST RELEASE THE BOOK SO WE CAN DISCUSS THIS PROPERLY!!!!!!!!

:blowup: I WANNAWANNAWANNAWANNAWANNA!!!!!! :blowup:

[tadaka]

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.......GODDAMN IT JUST RELEASE THE BOOK SO WE CAN DISCUSS THIS PROPERLY!!!!!!!!

:blowup: I WANNAWANNAWANNAWANNAWANNA!!!!!! :blowup:[/QUOTE]

No joke wish I knew better what I was getting myself in to.
They just had to release spirit Geshia just to make me want it. Curse my weakness for asian gameing culture.

[Svenn]

Isn't it technically released at this point? People should be playing with it at GenCon... Is the NDA lifted yet so we can at least get some people in here to tell us all about it? :-D

[tadaka]

Looking to buy stat cards for models if you have some send me pic of product so I can check out quality LOL JK :)

[shekbo]

Yeah, we can help people new to her wacky strategery!

I know a few really irritating uses of those "spirit geishas". They kill people with PURE HATRED! (Which, interestingly enough, is a translation of "kirai" from japanese, according to my japanese friend. Who'd a guessed?)

As for non-theme models, I've just found hanged useful. They provide all the ranged support and yanking people around as a belle or a gunslinger, and they're spirits too so Kirai can pull all her shenanigans with them.

And keep in mind that "slow" spirits aren't impeded at all by terrain in movement. They move in beelines, wheras your speedy opponents must wind around stuff. There's nothing more annoying than a speedy spirit popping out from behind a rock, attacking you, and popping right back.

[tadaka]

Rules question as Im a Spirit model noob. Its legal to park inside a rock or some thing blocking any thing from attacking who cant ignore LOS right?

[Lucidicide]

Isn't it technically released at this point? People should be playing with it at GenCon... Is the NDA lifted yet so we can at least get some people in here to tell us all about it? :-D

The NDA is lifted, yes, but we don't have a copy of the book and we were informed that all discussions up until the bitter end might make a difference. So if I tell you x it might be y. So I think most of us are playing it safe rather than give out false information.

[dgraz]

The NDA is lifted, yes, but we don't have a copy of the book and we were informed that all discussions up until the bitter end might make a difference. So if I tell you x it might be y. So I think most of us are playing it safe rather than give out false information.

I see this point. I did notice that some of these beta guys have been surprised by some of the modifications also. So what they played with is not necessarily the finished product. I'm sure there are some similarities but there are obviously some differences.

[GrandLeon]

I am picking up the "Rising Power" rules today, and then ultimately decide whether or not I am going to pick up Kirai and her awesome looking Gahki's in a few weeks.

[Breten]

I just ordered Kirai's boxed set for a buddy of mine. Gotta get more people sucked in and he's a sucker for Asian models. Some kind of variation on yellow fever maybe? :)