Heros

[EricJ]

Anyone else watching this show? After the first episode I was definately interested, and I think after the 2nd I'm hooked.

[Nathan Caroland]

I've got a digital recorder and have it set to record.

Maybe it was the mood I was in, but I watched the first one in high speed for the most part as I was getting sort of 'bored' with it and the characters already. I know that they have to go ahead and lay it out for you instead of BAM here you go, but at the same time, I kind of like BAM.

Curious about the chick and the mirror. Like the indestructable girl. Flying guys .. meh. Time/Teleport guy .. meh. Visionist ... meh. Is that going to be all the main characters or are they going to introduce others?

Got the second one recorded last night but I haven't gotten around to watching it, and probably won't, for a few more days but I am curious to say the least. I hope it turns out to be well done as frankly, I need a show to interest me these days.

[EricJ]

yeah, they are laying the groundwork slowly for the series I must admit. The first episode jumped around a lot, not focusing on one character or plot for long. Not exactly the same "here is a superhero team all set up to go and here is the villan to fight" that we're used to. I keep wondering how/when/why the characters will start to meet and interact. The 2nd episode started laying elements of what looks like a somewhat epic plotline, hinted and characters interacting, and added 1 more hero (the cop who could read minds), as well perhaps some non-hero cop/FBI type characters, as well as hinting at the goal/capabilities of the evil side.

The flying guys are still sort of boring.

[vincegamer]

Don't tell me anything as I haven't seen the 2nd episode yet - don't get NBC so I have to watch it on-line at the NBC web site.

Doh! I already gleaned from your comments how the second episode begins (or how the 1st ends).

I too skipped ahead a bit in the first episode. I thought the best part was the Indian professor/cabbie. The fact that invulnerablegirl's dad is the guy hunting the Indian guy was pretty cool.
As to the single mom from hell - wouldn't it be cool if she turned out to be the super-villain rather than one of the heroes?

I liked the Japanese guy. The Star Trek references were a little off to the fan/observer, but he's the only one who showed what I thought a realistic take on what getting super powers would be like.

On an FCC note, can you say bitch on TV? I didn't think so, so it was interesting that they were able to show the printed word.

[Wren]

IIRC I've heard bitch said on sitcoms from 8pm onwards, I don't think it's much of a taboo word anymore. I've been watching the DVD of season 2 Grey's Anatomy. Apparently you can say penis every other word on TV if you want, but vagina is still considered quite shocking, and they have had to fight their network to have doctors say the actual medical term instead of a euphanism. Which is sort of funny since full frontal female nudity is considered much less naughty than full frontal male nudity in the movies. So I guess it's fine to say it but not see it when it comes to penises.

(Can't comment on Heroes, we've got it in TiVo and will be watching it, just haven't gotten around to it yet.)

[witchfire]

i was very dissapointed

i was looking forward to a superhero show with spandex ,capes & special effects up the whazoo

[vincegamer]

Well it did have a girl in a cheerleader uniform, and a woman in her underwear. That should have satisfied your spandex yearnings.

[supervike]

I've watched it and enjoy it...it has even kept me from watching Monday night Football!....

Some of it is a bit hackey, but I like it all the same. Much better than ANY 'reality' show that has ever aired.

[Duende]

D'oh! I missed it! :doh:

I just got a new VCR and haven't programmed anything into yet. I did catch the 1st episode last week and enjoyed it, though it did jump around alot, trying to cram so much in one episode. Can somebody lend me a copy, or did I not miss anything important this week that I can catch up next week?

Somebody remind me before next Monday!

:doh: (I needed to smack my head again)

[Queeny]

I've watched both episodes now and I like it so far. Now to just try to patiently wait for Wednesday for Lost... trying.. so.. hard.. to be patient!

[Flit]

The SciFi Channel is repeating episodes on Friday nights, so you have an extra chance to catch it.

[vincegamer]

Okay, I finally watched it.

good points and bad points. I wish they hadn't pegged the cop the way they did. It was much more interesting when you didn't know if the cop could hear thoughts or if the girl was a telepath.
I also didn't like the Coyote v. Roadrunner moment with the brothers. It was just too campy.

Liked the Japanese guy again. The mom is just weirding me out.

[Nathan Caroland]

Going to watch it tonight (the second episode). I really hope the mom turns into a 'bad guy'. :D

[callumrice]

Dunno wot the hell you guys are talking about, but coming from the UK, Ill probably open back up this thread in 6 months time to add my views!

[EricJ]

well, I read it just got picked up for the entire first season, so at least they'll get to work on developing it some. I think that's good news

[vincegamer]

callum,
I don't get that station on my tv so I watch online at nbc.com when I have time.
You should be able to do the same.

Glad it got picked up. They must have gotten good numbers.

[supervike]

So, you all watched the 3rd episode, I hope....Your thoughts?

It seems to progress rather slowly....

[EricJ]

yeah, they definately don't seem in a rush to get anywhere. Was sort of cool getting to know the bad guy a little more, the bad guys seem to be a lot more organized than the good at this point, which doesn't take much.

I am getting a little annoyed at how many ways the invincible girl "accidentally" dies, I mean, how did she ever survive long enough to develop her powers? Although it is interesting that she doesn't heal if there is something still "killing" her, so to speak, kind of limits the power.

The flying guys are still super borring and annoying.

The cop is interesting, I think he has potential.

The asian guys are interesting and funny, glad they're around still.

I am looking forward to seeing how the stripper-mom fits into the whole puzzle.

But yeah, this last episode was a bit slow and didn't feel like it pushed the plot ahead too much, mostly just hinted at it and asked questions as to what was going on...but I have a feeling that's the way the show will keep going. Asking 100's of questions until at the very end we realize there is 1 "shocking" answer to them all. Just a hunch.

[Nathan Caroland]

Possible Spoilers --


Have the third recorded but haven't gotten to watching it yet but I finally got around to watching the second one the other night.

Brothers are still ... well stupid.

Stripper mom ... hah, I'm seriously interested in her now to be honest, particularly when she comes back and finds her double has cleaned up the place handidly, gotten her a car registered in her name, slapped the bodies into the trunk and directs her out into the desert where there is a shovel waiting for her only to find there is already a body in the ground. Now that I'm curious about.

Cop ... interesting I suppose but I hope he pulled his soft head out of his ass and stops being such a pansy (my take on it)

Cheerleader ... I like her, or atleast the special effects with her and got a tickle out of seeing her neck broken like that only to twist it around. Curious to see where here dad goes with this since he clearly has an agenda involving mutants. Wonder if he is one ... doubt it.

Time/Teleport guy ... that is starting to get a bit interesting for me, particularly when he finds the butchered brainless body of the guy that was seeing the future and then finds out he's five weeks in the future and sees the blast (mutant I'm thinking .. the explosion).

Future Artist guy ... meh ... but I think he's going to get more interesting, particuarly seeing that he was killed and his brain taken.

Silas ... alright, so I don't know anything about him other than he's a serial killer, freezes people and hacks out their brains and then pins a woman to the wall with all sorts of gory objects. NEAT!

Professor ... fella does a good job of it. Me though, I think the girl is a plant to get information and to use him. Just my take on it at the moment.

Now not having seen the third one yet I do have to say that I want more 'action' and bad guys. Curious to see just what the hell is going on with the Dad and this Silas and hoping for a couple of cronies in there somewhere.

[vincegamer]

Well, you definitely get more action and more of Silas and the Dad. In fact you see a pic of the Dad and though I don't recall his name, he's a recognizable actor so he's bound to be alive still - though I suppose he could just appear in flashbacks.


Mom: I still don't get it. How is being able to kill several people and hide the bodies in the desert a power? And where's her husband? Actually, I'm suspecting that the killer is actually her husband who is somehow possessing her. SPOILER>>>>>>>>>>> The double burried the bodies just where her husband burried his bodies.

Cop: Definitely pulled his head out. I thought his reaction to hearing voices was pretty good, and in this last episode SPOILER>>>>>>>>>>> I love when he asks no questions and just opens fire.

Cheerleader: Yeah, it's gotten old already. How many of her internal organs will we get to see before the season ends? Her "death" seems to be just a plot device to get her out of school.

Japanese guy: Still my favorite. Nothing he has done has felt wrong, and nothing seems overdone. I like how he's brought his friend along - his "english speaking" friend. The language issue will be interesting to deal with.

Artist: I didn't get the ending of the last episode. I thought she took away all of his drugs. Is he able to paint the future without drugs? or did he still have a stash she didn't know about?

Silas seems to have all of the abilities of the others and more, and is hunting them. Oh, and his thinking is apparently backwards. I wonder if he can somehow steal powers.

Indian Prof.: I still like this guy but I am also suspicious of the girl. Also, I think someone is encouraging him to find his dad's formula, with the idea that he'll be able to solve the code.

I think it's moving too slowly for you guys because there are so many story lines going on at the same time that you can't get very far with any one of them. Personally I'm not complaining.

[EricJ]

I'm not really complaining either, I like the speed of it, it's not giving into the instant gratification type superhero story that we're used to and has grown old. I just sort of hate the story line of the flying guys taking up time!

[vincegamer]

The idea of a superhero running for congress is appealing, but I'd agree if you are saying the whiny "big brother was always more popular" and "mom loves me best" soap-opera crap is annoying.

[vincegamer]

Okay, I really like the twist the "younger flying brother" has taken.
I'm still convinced that the mom is really the mom & dad.

Anyone else have comments?

[Queeny]

Okay, I really like the twist the "younger flying brother" has taken.
I'm still convinced that the mom is really the mom & dad.

Anyone else have comments?

Yeah me too! I was surprised by the younger brother track it's taking, but I like it.

and I made the same comment to my son about the mom, that maybe the mirror self of her is her dead husband/father of the boy.

[vincegamer]

There's the fact that the bodies were burried in the same place, the kid said no one would ever find his dad, the phrase "our son" and now there's that tattoo.

[supervike]

The ending of the third episode was great. Hiro now the 'hero' complete with Katana and English speaking ability.

Very cool.

[vincegamer]

Hey! I can bend time and space!
I think I'll go back in time and spend a few years in an intensive English language program!

Yep, that would be my reaction.

[EricJ]

yeah, the end of the episode was pretty awesome. Are we sure the younger brother really does have the flying ability, or is it that he can take on the abilities of those around him, and he's just noticed flying because he's only been around his brother. The reason he didn't freeze when Hiro stops time, is because he has that ability also when Hiro is around...thoughts

I do think the theory that the mom has taken on the fathers half is a good one.

And we have another semi-anti-hero with the cheerleader being a bit loose on "heroly morals" as well. But we did also get the clue that keeping her alive is key to keeping the city from exploding...

[vincegamer]

Wait. I missed that part. Keeping her alive is key? What told you that?

I am pretty sure the younger brother is sort of a supers-chameleon. He mimics the powers around him. Unlike a similar comic book character though, he doesn't seem to steal them, only copy them.
This makes him much more interesting than he started out.
The brother on the other hand is much less interesting.

Speaking of which, which one did he mean when Daddy said "just take the one."?

[Sergeant_Crunch]

I finally got to watch most of the show on Monday (unfortunately it comes on right at the kids bedtime). I'm very intrigued by the show and plan to go download it and watch the first couple episodes. Looks like a winner in that the "heroes" are just plain folk instead of beefy do gooders.

[EricJ]

the info about keeping the cheerleader alive was in the very last part, previewing future episodes.

[DrEvilmonki]

I hate you all!! We do not get this AND when I went to download it I was told I couldn'y because my region is not supported.

[Nathan Caroland]

Can't you just watch it directly on NBC.com? I'm not downloading anything on the site, just watching it directly.

[Nathan Caroland]

Alrighty, just watched in on NBC.com myself and have to say, although I did a bit of skipping to get through the yackity-yack parts, this is definitly turning out to be a most interesting show.

Invicible girl - hah, love how she decided to take things in her own hands with the rapist, that was just flat out great!

Messed up Mom - now that one still has me curious just exactly what is going on here. I figure her husband and her have merged somehow, so most likely it is him with the powers and not her - shes just sort of like the carrier I figure. That being said, alternative mom kicks some ass and isn't afraid to jump in bed with a guy, which kind of throws that whole merge bit, but hey ... different strokes.

Cop guy, curious what is going to happen to him, I'm thinking he's going to be out and about running around again just without a clue as to what has happened. The guy that is taking out all the other mutants is pretty interesting too at this point.

Artist - liked they way they manifested his powers.

Little Brother - I like the new slant on him actually and the whole chameleon thing is pretty interesting as well, just taking on the powers of the others while he is around them. I'm predicting this will get to be damned interesting, and probably pivotal when it involves Sylar.

Big Brother - Meh - fall off a building already.

Hiro - HAH! Loving it, particularly there at the end where he pops back, speaking english, ditched the geek look and carrying a katana and really looking the 'Hero' part now. Also very interesting that he told Little Brother that he looks different without the scar. So just how far into the future is Hiro from as scars usually take a bit to come into properly even if it is just a moment to create them.

Oh, and something tells me that little girl that Sylar was trying to get ahold of in the last episode is a mutant as well and he was after her when he showed up at her house, not her parents and a random murdering. Might be wrong there though ...

[DrEvilmonki]

All it says is not viewable from your location. Oh well

[vincegamer]

the info about keeping the cheerleader alive was in the very last part, previewing future episodes.
That explains it then. They don't include the previews on the web site of the "latest episode" though maybe it's there somewhere.

[Duende]

Well, if anybody missed the last two episodes, they'll be on again this coming Sunday at 9 and 10 pm (EST), so you can catch them then, or just re-watch them, if you think you missed some subtle clue the first time. :D

Personally, the Japanese guy is my favorite, but then again, I might be biased about that, but he's certainly the most entertaining. Poor Hiro, getting punched in the face without even knowing why.... :(

Heros is on at a bad time for me too, 9pm is when I'm usually putting my little girl to bed, which involves reading a couple of stories. But I do use this ancient archaic device called a VCR and record it that way. ;)

[vincegamer]

It's not on at a bad time for me.
I just don't get NBC where I live, so I have to watch it online.
Plus, I have to watch it in my office since for some reason it won't play on my home computer. All I get is a gray bar across the screen where the image should be.

[mlavanish]

Thanks for the heads up on the reruns. I missed the second episode and I need to catch up.

I think Hiro is definitely my favorite as well. He's a great character and very funny. Next would probably be the cheerleader, because, well, she's an unstoppable cheerleader. How cool is that!

[EricJ]

So I had a though, if this is all set to build to a season 1 climax...what would they do in season 2, once all the heros and villans know each other...does it then turn into typical superhero stereotype plots? Just doesn't seem like the format the show is in right now is made to last more than 1 season?

[vincegamer]

I think maybe they'll go around locating various other "supers" and trying to get them to use their powers for good.
Might be kind of X-files-ish.

[Akenmaat]

I have been watching this since the first episode, and so far, I'm hooked. I try not to think ahead or guess what's going to happen when I watch something, whether it's TV or a movie, but some things I can't help but figure out sometimes.

Cheerleader - I like her power, and I liked how the branch still stuck in her head kinda left her frozen, unable to heal. I'm interested in finding out exactly how "Save the girl, save the world" is going to work out.

Cop - nice ability, I guess, although I can see them going down the typcial road of him hearing everyone at once and going nuts not being able to tune them OUT, rather than being able to tune IN when concentrating like he can do now. Blah. Hope they don't do that.

Brothers - Feh. They're just not interesting, though I did like the new turn on the younger brother having the sort of X-Men Rogue ability. I agree, I could see this becoming a pivotal point.

Artist - I personally like his ability. I'm into ESP and I'm an artist myself. Heh. And I dig how they showed him being in a trance with his eyes glowing white. VERY curious how he winds up with his head sliced in half and his brain missing.

The Mom - I believe she's actually not a hero. No powers at all. Just a plain old case of split personality disorder and her alter ego happens to be a psychotic personality. THAT is why the cheerleader's dad told his silent partner to leave her and just take the flying politician when they showed those two in bed asleep. Is that guy going to "erase" the politician's powers? Erase his memories? Just read his mind? Dunno...

Sylar - I think he's a combo of everyone's powers. Could be why all the heroes need to convene - each one of their powers will be needed to defeat him. How Sylar got his powers, whether he steals them from his victims or was born with them, I'm still pondering.

Hiro the Hero - He's just plain cool. Who wouldn't love to mess around with time? He is definitely the comic relief of the show. Gotta keep him. Love him showing up with the new look and speaking English.

Dr. Suresh - I like the character itself, but his storyline is going too slow for me. He's motivated, he's not movtivated. Just DO something already. Take a week off and grieve your father properly and move on with the project. His neighbor could definitely be a plant to prod the guy into moving forward. (She's not doing a very good job :eviltongu )

If I've forgotten anyone, must be because they don't interest me. :laugh:

[vincegamer]

If the neighbor's a plant, she can prod me all she wants....

[mlavanish]

The graphic novel at nbc.com is interesting as well. The latest bit shows what goes on at the cheerleaders car "accident" after the impact. Interesting.

[vincegamer]

nice intermix of media.
You get a tiny bit more of the story with each comic picking up where each episode leaves off.

[EricJ]

well, a lot of things were clarified...

It is about saving the cheerleader
The younger brother does take on powers of those around him
Hiro is still by far the best character
Silas can errase memories
There is really a husband to the Blonde
It looked like her alter ego does have real powers (shown in the preview of next week)
The cop had a borring episode, other than exploring the possibilities of sex while being able to read someones mind
The older brother can fly, and is quite a sketchy individual

...anything else?

[Nathan Caroland]

Have to watch it tonight on NBC.com, looked for it last night but they didn't have it up yet, but cool - looking forward to it.

Now the husband to the blonde, not actually the blondes alterego right?

[EricJ]

yeah, pretty much the last scene shows the real husband in her house. And in the previews of next week pretty much shows him with crazy powers, looks like he can walk through walls, or change shape, or something crazy.

[Sergeant_Crunch]

And unfortunately they did go down the route of being disoriented by everyone's thoughts with the cop (when he was in the convienence store).

[vincegamer]

I sorta skimmed it. I'll try to watch it later.
The cop did turn into a pretty lame story. It was going great with him talking to the crook, but then it just went dumb.

Read the on-line comic. It is short, but gives a LOT of info on the dad.

[Hinton]

I've been watching Heroes and I really like it.

Yeah, it started out pretty slow and there's a couple of characters/plotlines I'm not very impressed with, but overall I'm liking the plot, pacing and characters. It's fun and interesting that, at the beginning, most of them have no idea what they can do and they're exploring those possibilities and powers. I really like that they're starting to meet each other.

Hiro is definitely my favorite so far. I didn't care for Peter at first (too whiny, IMHO), but he's starting to get interesting. Niki's husand, D.L., has an interesting power and next week's show looks to be good since it seems we'll get a better idea of what Niki's alter-ego can do and possibly how she figures into the whole thing.

What I wonder about (and yeah, it's probably too soon to start thinking about this): what happens if/when they save NYC? Do they go their separate ways to fight the bad guys? Do they stick together? Will there be some other danger that they have to stop?

Hiro did tell Peter that they needed to save the cheerleader (thinking I'm going to make that my new sig, btw) to prevent everything. This would seem to indicate that there's something in addition to the nuclear explosion in NYC that they have to stop. Should be fun to find out; just hope that they don't let the thing drag out too long or let it fall apart, as so often happens to great shows.

[vincegamer]

Could be something simple, like the off switch is protected by a trap of lasers that will cut anyone passing through into pieces and she has to pass through, get cut to pieces, reassemble and turn off the bomb.
Or perhaps she has to be there at the end to convince daddy to change his evil ways.

Why do people from the future always act so cryptic?
Why didn't Hiro just say: here's her name and address. Save her and you'll prevent New York from blowing up.?

And what's with Hiro all of a sudden being able to speak English?
He has zero English skills up to this point, then he has a conversation with fly by night.
I know, you may be saying he speaks it choppy, with simple words and no verbs etc. But that doesn't explain how when Fly by night says "wher ya from", Hiro immediately knows he's being asked where his home is.
Heck, I am a native speaker and I couldn't understand some of what fly by night was saying because he mumbled too much.

[EricJ]

well the evil dad obviously cares about the cheerleader still, since he makes the quarterback pay for what he did, so it could be something along the lines of he makes the city pay if she's killed. Or maybe due to her power, she explodes a city with released energy if she ever manages to be killed for real...

At the moment, favorite heros from good to bad:

1: Hiro (despite the english thing)
2: Cheerleader
3: younger brother (up this week!)
4: Painter
5: Mom
6: Cop (down a few places)
7: Older Brother

[vincegamer]

I mostly agree with your rankings.
Older brother I would put above the cop, which is a shame as the cop would have been #3 last week.
Older brother I move up because the effect of him taking off and leaving a vapor trail was cool.
Painter hasn't been very exciting for me though. I think I'd put him below the mom.

[Sergeant_Crunch]

I'm curious to see whether or not they continue with Peter (the younger brother right? I'm horrible with names) channeling Isaac's power to see the future.

[Akenmaat]

I'm curious to see whether or not they continue with Peter (the younger brother right? I'm horrible with names) channeling Isaac's power to see the future.
Yeah, after that scene, I was thinking that now the artist doesn't have to shoot up anymore. Yay. Power-mimic little brother can just paint for him as long as the artist is there. Heh. Probably wishful thinking. ;)

Did anyone else notice the huge gaping hole in the cheerleader's abdomen in the painting when it was done? Maybe that's what they have to prevent to save the cheerleader?

The guy who cleans out people's minds turning out to be the dad of the little boy was a nice twist. [EDIT: Oops, my bad. This is not the case apparently, but those two actors look similar enough when you only see them for a few seconds. :P]
And he [the new dad] can go through walls? No wonder the police couldn't keep him detained. Hehe! Now I really want to know just who this alter-ego is that the mom has, and does the alter-ego have powers? 'Cause otherwise, she's still the one character that just doesn't "fit" with the rest of the heroes.

And the politician breaking the sound barrier (that's what that little cloudy ring in the sky was, right?) when he flew away was pretty awesome IMO.

[Hinton]

What I'm waiting to see (if they decide to do it) is when all or most of the heroes get together in one place.

If there's:

Peter (younger brother) - empath (i.e. "takes on" the powers of others)
Nathan (older brother) - flight
Hiro - bends time and space
Claire (cheerleader) - indestructible (well, pretty much)
Matt (cop) - reads minds

then, what will Peter be like? If Peter can use the abilities of others, and if he can use all of those powers at once, can you imagine what he'd be like?

I'm with Akenmaat on Niki's alter-ego. If she doesn't have powers, then big whoop; there's nothing special about her. However, it almost seems like the "other her" is very strong and a hell of a fighter. Guess time will tell.

[Queeny]

The guy who cleans out people's minds turning out to be the dad of the little boy was a nice twist.

I thought those were 2 different people. I could definitely be wrong though, trying to watch the show with my kids running through the room trying to NOT get ready for bed. heh

[vincegamer]

They are NOT the same person. That is perfectly clear from the online comic.
Also, beyond being dark skinned and bald, they don't really look alike.

As to using Peter so the artist doesn't "have to" shoot up, I don't think the artist has to shoot up at all. He's an addict. He has convinced himself that he can only paint when high. That's a common enough association used to justify an addiction he knows is wrong. With counseling he can learn that he has simply made up an excuse for himself as to why he needs the drugs. I actually found that to be a realistic element.
Think of this, if he only has the power when high, then how could Peter mimic it when painter didn't have the power?

[EricJ]

So if we put peter around the mom...does he get a crazy alter-ego? lol

From the trailer for next week, it definately looked like the mom alter-ego was kicking peoples ass with amazing strength (people flying across the room when hit, etc...)

[Duende]

From the trailer for next week, it definately looked like the mom alter-ego was kicking peoples ass with amazing strength (people flying across the room when hit, etc...)

So she's like The Hulk!... only without becoming all big and green and speaking in the third person. And I don't think the Hulk ever got lucky as the Hulk, but correct me if I'm wrong.....

Damn, I missed about the last 10 minutes of the latest episode because my tape ended. Drat!

*EDIT* One thing I was wondering about, when future-Hiro appeared to talk to Peter, he spoke perfect English with no accent. (?) I know it's just a trivial point, but don't usually when most people learn English as a second language, they speak it accecnted? I mean, I work with a Taiwanese girl, who is rather fluent in English, but still with an accent. Did anyone else notice this?

[vincegamer]

Ah. I think I may have found the trailers on NBC.com.
Could someone who sees it on TV tell me if the trailer is included in the "2-minute" wrap up on the web site?
Looked to me like mom is gonna fight it out with the villain - what was his name? Silas, Simon, Sturgeon...?

Okay, so I just spent too much time trying to cut freeze frame images of the 2 bald black men to show that they are different. Then it occurred to me to go to IMDB and look up the show.
The villain is played by Hatian actor Jimmy Jean-Louis. (Monster-in-law, Phat Girlz, etc.)
The husband is played by Leonard Roberts (Drumline, Buffy the Vampire Slayer [tv])

Oh, and for all those potential *********s out there, the actress who plays the cheerleader, Hayden Panettierre, actually IS 16 in those shots. She turned 17 last August. One more year before you can drool over her with a clean conscience.

Funny cast trivia:
Flying brother is married to one of the Dixie Chix
Mom was a sorority sister in Legally Blond
Cop was the pilot of the plane that crashed in Lost
Rapist was the President's son on "Commander in Chief"
Dead Indian Geneticist was played by Erick Avari (Planet of the Apes, Stargate [tv & film], Independence Day, The Mummy)

[Nathan Caroland]

Watched this on NBC.com last night finally and rather enjoyed it.

Hiro, got a better look at him in the train and I think he is definitly from much further in the future than five weeks as he had long hair in a tail and I think that is where his english came from as well, time amongst english speaking yokels, etc.

Flying brother - now he is starting to get interesting for me to be honest, he has a mercenary streek to him where he turned the tables, slightly, on his blackmailers and flat out said he would kill 'Dad' and the 'Mindwiper'. I expected something a bit more hokey as well for his flying but I rewatched it three times with him taking off like he did and then breaking the sound barrier and zooming off like he did. Very cool! Loved his landing as well!

Cop ... meh. Didn't do anything for me to be honest and I played it on high speed to get through a bunch of it, just didn't do anything for me.

Cheerleader ... actually went in to apologize to her killer/body stasher/would be rapist which shows she's got a lot of morals, blah, blah. I think I would have liked her a bit better if she had just sauntered on out on bitch mode but understand why they did it more or less. Still like her and am curious why she is the key to saving everyone.

Youngest brother - Liking the Chameleon powers and how he is starting to figure them out and is taking it serious.

Doomsday Seer - he played sort of a secondary role here but I think it'll get interesting with him.

Stripper Mom - the more I watch this the more I am waiting for her to really 'come out' and after hearing about the previews for next week (haven't seen them) I'm hoping it gets good. Seems like it is all her, no DL in the body, blah, blah and frankly, I think she's going to be a scary bitch when it all comes out. I also think she is the one that killed DL's crew and DL didn't really walk out on her so much as got the hell out before she killed him. Least it seemed like he was hiding from her and was wary of her when he made an appearance at her house.

Also, got to thinking about I don't think the Indians Father is dead - he never saw the body and just got the ashes right? Also, I can't see why they would bother getting a well known actor like Erick Avari to simply use him for a picture on the back of a book. Think he's alive.

Sylar, nuttin this time about - still think that little girl he was after is special for some reason.

Mindwipper - that guy seems to enjoy his job.

Dad - now I really liked him in this episode, particularly when he puts it to the quarterback. I'm also wondering if he isn't such the 'bad guy' afterall. So far we haven't seen him kill anyone yet. Protects his family. The folks he's gotten ahold of all seem to come back (well the one anyhow) even if they don't know what happened to them. Maybe he's cataloging them - dunno. Seems sinister and I know they mean for him to be, but something tells me he's not the evil bastard he's being made out to be. Maybe ...

[Hinton]

Also, got to thinking about I don't think the Indians Father is dead - he never saw the body and just got the ashes right? Also, I can't see why they would bother getting a well known actor like Erick Avari to simply use him for a picture on the back of a book. Think he's alive.


I was thinking the same thing, but then Mohinder (the son) said in the episode "Collision" that he hadn't shed a single tear since his father's death, not even when he claimed the body. He says "They showed me three John Doe's before they finally found him. My father was 'misfiled'." But who knows? It is a TV show; anything can happen.

The dad is getting interesting. At first, I put him in the same league as the "Cigarette Smoking Man" from the X-Files, but there's definitely something different about him. He knows what his daughter can do, but I think he really does love her so he's not doing anything yet. If his intention was to harm the "heroes" or if he was evil, then I think he would have done something to her by now.

[vincegamer]

Is mindwiper Sylar?

Erick Avari - I think he'll be in flashbacks.

READ THE ON-LINE COMIC!!!! It shows Mohinder collecting the body.

Dad - He can't be trying to eliminate the heroes. He had the cop and let him go, and the cop still had his powers.

This brings me back to the first question. I'll have to rewatch the episode where mind-wiper first shows up. Is he Sylar? If not, perhaps Dad is hunting for Sylar by reading the memories of all supers.

[EricJ]

speaking of Sylar, in episode 2, didn't the detective say that only 4 people (or was it 5) knew the name sylar...leaves a lot of room for who these other people are, if one is the other detective...

[Duende]

Is mindwiper Sylar?
Dad - He can't be trying to eliminate the heroes. He had the cop and let him go, and the cop still had his powers.

Maybe he implanted some sort of "suggestion" in thier heads, so just saying some keyword or phrase will give him control over all the heroes when the time comes!

Just a thought...

:stupido:

[Nathan Caroland]

Wasn't Sylar white in that episode where he was dragging the kid out?

[EricJ]

yeah, pretty sure sylar isn't the mind wiping guy

here is my new totally made up right now theory.

Sylar is Peter (younger brother), who in the future develops his power to the point he could absorb others abilities from a really long range (which is why he seems to have everyones abilities). He goes crazy due to accidentally killing the cheerleader somehow, but now he's now BACK from the future, since he can do that with Hiro's powers. The big explosion is really this "time rift" that Hiro mentions to Peter on the train.

or something like that...

[Nathan Caroland]

Oooh ... now that is an interesting take.

[vincegamer]

I like your theory. Unfortunately I don't think tv writers are that creative.

Since no one can explain to me why I can't watch NBC.com on my home computer I'll have to wait until after work at the office some day to re-run the episodes and see the faces and hear the names. I didn't think you actually could see Sylar.

Why does the mindwipe guy have a necklace that is exactly like the tattoo on the mom?

Duende, maybe you're right. Then the cheerleader could be the key because her healing powers prevent her from being mind-wiped/controlled.

[Duende]

Duende, maybe you're right. Then the cheerleader could be the key because her healing powers prevent her from being mind-wiped/controlled.

Or just maybe beacuse she's a DDD (Daddy's Darling Daughter).

There's a theory! New York blew up because something happened to Claire and her dad completely flipped out and killed everybody with the nuclear bomb he happened to have in his closet. So the heroes have to save her so she can run to daddy saying,"No daddy, don't destroy the world!" which stops him.

:stupido: Not really sure where Sylar fits into that theory yet, maybe I'll have a better idea after Monday night.

[Nathan Caroland]

You can see Sylar, briefly, when he is in the episode where he killed the agents and is dragging that little girl out of the room. You don't see any details but I'm pretty sure he's white.

As for Mindwiper and Psycho Mom having the same markings, hrmmm, I wonder if they already got ahold of her and wiped her her and then she was marked as 'all taken care of' for some reason or another and thus the reason for her alternative, her having to 'shut down' while the 'other' comes out and takes care of things.

[matty1001]

Wasnt the mind wiper guy married to the crazy mam?

[callumrice]

Man, when you havent seen this programme this thread makes for some interesting reading!

[Nathan Caroland]

@matty101 - nope, two different guys.

[DrEvilmonki]

That mark has shown up a number of times. It was also in the computer programme the professors son found - it scrolled across the screen.

[Skya]

I'm going with the theory that they have to save the cheerleader so that Syler cant eat her brain, gain her powers and end up indestructable. Not mind you that guns work on him anways....

The mark also appeared floating in the sky in Issac's paintings in the future.

[Nathan Caroland]

Huh, going to have to start looking for these marks now!

Think Sylar is eating brains and getting powers? Interesting take on it as well.

[vincegamer]

Anyone watched the "behind the scenes" video from the web site?

the guy who plays Isaac points out a painting which he says is visible in the first episode, but kind of hidden. It's never explained.
It's a picture of a giant monster ripping up a city.

[Duende]

Anyone watched the "behind the scenes" video from the web site?

the guy who plays Isaac points out a painting which he says is visible in the first episode, but kind of hidden. It's never explained.
It's a picture of a giant monster ripping up a city.

That's because while NY can be destroyed by bombs, Tokyo can only be destroyed by giant monsters. Isn't that a well-known fact?

It's a part of Sylar's revenge against all the heroes and that one was Hiro's.

:musicus:

[vincegamer]

Does anyone have access to watching the earlier episodes?

Are we so sure Sylar is a man?
Just a thought. Sylar could be the brunette working with Mohinder.

[Nathan Caroland]

Sylar's voice was distinctly male on the answering machine.

[vincegamer]

His voice was on an answering machine?
Man I wish I could re-watch these.

[matty1001]

Get them from torrentspy.com

[vincegamer]

torrentspy is very confusing.
I can download files, but my computer doesn't know what to do with them, and I can't even figure out if they are what I want anyway.

[matty1001]

go to bittorrent.com and download the software, then open the downloaded file from torrentspy.com and it will open in the bittorrent app.

[EricJ]

Well, you never know...shapechanging HAS been know to be a superpower...

[vincegamer]

I watched it, and I can now say Told you so!

Okay, that out of the way, how do you think they will redeem the mom?
(contrary to the obvious implication of the last scene, I'm sure she will be reformed)

[Nathan Caroland]

Yeah watched it the other night as well and thought it was a bit quiet here about it - sort of a disapointing episode for me to be honest, didn't hold as much interest for me as the other ones.

Hah, knew the chick was a plant, said that from the get go on that one. I am curious whether she has any powers but think she's likely just a norm. Thought it was interesting how Dad said 'I know you can try harder' which came across as 'why didn't you sleep with him ...'.

Mom - well ... okay I want something different I think. Hell someone change skins, glow, do something overt. As for her getting reformed, hell, to be honest I want her to go into complete bitch mode and start tearing things up. We need another bad ass on the show I think.

DL - interesting, walk through walls, put hands into bodies and put someone down. Seems like a decent fella as well.

Hiro - didn't do much for me this round and the whole Vegas thing is getting old.

Peter and Artist - again, didn't do much for me this time.

Cheerleader going over her bio parents, hah, love how Dad set that up.

Now the one that I am really starting to like is Dad. When the informant chick told him about someone stopping time and painting the future he said 'Really, that's cool!' and just took it in stride. It is also seems pretty obvious that he really loves his daughter even though she is a 'freak' and it had him upset when he heard about the prediction of 'save the cheerleader'. I find myself liking him more and more.

[EricJ]

yeah, a so-so episode really, I'm tired of Vegas also, they need to move the plot along and out of there.

Ok, how about this prediction, somehow moms 2 personalities split into 2 bodies? and then there will be a good side and bad side, and both learn to use the super strength power. okok, sort of off the wall, and probably not right, lol. It could just turn into an internal struggle, with good mom getting slightly more control, I do hope she manages to figure out how to use her strength as a good mom.

I did like DL, I thought he was the best part of this episode, he was well acted, seemed to have a good set of motivations, etc...

I do think the dad is getting more interesting, it's interesting how he just learned that his daughter supposedly dies in the near future, I think he is going to turn out to be a good guy, or if he's not, he'll switch to be a good guy at a vital moment. They are spending too much time building up his concern for his daughter. although making up fake parents was sort of a prick thing to do. And the build up of compassion might also just be setting us up to sort of like him again, so we're surprised when he's the one killing her or something...

[vincegamer]

So we know the girl is working for the dad (which hurts my "she's Sylar theory", but doesn't totally rule it out).
Dad also has a couple other people working for him.

Dad was never able to locate the real birth parents.

Dad is still enjoyable because his motivation is not clear.

Mom has to be redeemed because it's American television.
Or I suppose she could be dead, but that's not very likely, is it.

I still want to know what's with that tattoo.

[Nathan Caroland]

Dunno if he wasn't able to locate them or just didn't want to, or 'couldn't cause they were dead.

[Nathan Caroland]

Just watched the next episode and it is looking interesting! Lots and lots of powered individuals coming into play too, or at the very least showing up and making a supporting appearance.

Interesting to see tattoos showing up on people, crazy mom has hers full out when she's switched over, cop is starting to get his, nucleur guy has the start of one. Curious where that is going to go.

Hiro - doing his thing and really taking the hero thing serious now and seems to be getting his power thing going on pretty good now. I'm liking it.

DL - I like that guy, has the whole phase though objects thing going for him and seems like a decent sort. Curious to see where that goes for him.

Crazy Mom - looks like she has finally gone over the deep end!

Kid - now that was interesting, didn't expect him to have a power but looks like he can do stuff with electronics. Gives a bit of an idea about this early on when he's replacing motherboards and playing with electronics (just an interest, not a power at the time it seemed). Curious to see how his power develops.

Cop - whohoo! Liking him more as of this episode. Sucks that his wife is cheating on him with his partner and the whole hearing thoughts is definitely a two edged sword. BTW, did anyone else see the Mind Blank guy walk behind, in and out of the cops locker room? Wonder if it was him that implanted the thought of his wife screwing around on him through the other guys head. Just a thought. He was there for a reason obviously.

Radiation Guy - I think THIS is going to be the big arsed explosion that destroys New York. Probably Sylar trying to take him on and either the guy looses it or gets killed and kaabloooey! Interesting how they showed how this guy couldn't control his power very well and his wife ended up with cancer, dying, etc. Sad, but a good plot for him I think.

Cheerleader, Chameleon Brother and Flying brother - meh - family stuff.

[EricJ]

yep, that's my take basically. I sort of had to figure the kid had some powers considering both his parents did. I guess Crazy Split personality/strength + phasing through objects = ability to manipulate electronics, who knew!

I suppose it is good to know where the supposed explosion comes from, although the real question is if it's from this new character, or the chamelion brother. Also how saving the cheerleader keeps him from exploding...

The older brother is definately dull, and sort of evil-lite, not really evil, just sort of a prick who can fly.

The car crash/exploding car seemed really contrived just to have some heros meet and use their powers I guess, seemed a little out of the flow of events.

[vincegamer]

Car crash was a bit contrived. Didn't move the plot at all except to show that DL is a decent guy and that Hiro is getting better at his power (and that Ando is accepting their mission as heroes).

Older brother is just a politician. I like that he thinks he can do good in politics better than he can by flying in a funny costume. But he's a shady politician.

I don't think radiation guy is the cause of the explosion.
I bet he becomes more of a character though, if only so Sylar can kill him.

And what's with the gradually appearing tattoos?

Oh, and I hope Nathan is making a joke about the previous flub of confusing DL with Memory Wipe guy. I don't think this tall bald black man was mind wipe guy.

The comic has some interesting detail about the cop using his power for something other than communicating with the comatose and spying on his wife. Thought-reading apparently has a directional sense - i.e. he can tell where the thoughts are coming from, not just by their "volume" as in his first appearance.

[Nathan Caroland]

Did I say that all bald black men look alike? Show me where, cause if so, then it was taken out of context.

[matty1001]

Nah it was me i think, just on the episode the dad fella was on i only saw him in shadow and i thought it might have been the same bloke. Thats what happens when you paint and try to watch stuff at the same time!

[Nathan Caroland]

Hrmmm, well if you take that as my meaning that all black men look alike or something more I think you are reading into it a bit more than perhaps you should or possibly too PC - sorry, just an opinion there.

I watched it on the PC here and watched it two or three times and paused it a couple of times and tried to take it through screen by screen and still maintain that it was the Mind Blank guy that walked past him and then out the door a moment later.

I may be wrong, but its certainly not meant to seen as a shot at black men and somewhat resent that someone would think it would be. Then again, maybe I'm just grumpy today.

[vincegamer]

I don't think it was. I guess we have to wait and see.

[EricJ]

I actually think the younger brother is a big danger, with his ability he picks up other peoples powers without the practice controlling it. And as more dangerous powers are showing up, that could lead to big trouble. So even if he is well meaning, I can see him becoming that tragic hero where through his actions trying to help he causes only harm.

[vincegamer]

But I don't think he's the cause of the explosion, otherwise why would Hiro go back from the future and tell him to go to New York? And he clearly survives, since he somehow gets a scar.

OOOOH OOOOH OOOOH!
I just figured out glasses-guy's super power!
He's immune to jet lag!'
He shows up in India, New York, Vegas, all within days yet no one notices him being at all jetlagged!

[EricJ]

Another thing is, so far the show is fairly well planned, and little details aren't missed. So I would imagine what Hiro told him on the train is exactly what he needed to hear, and there are reasons why he didn't just tell him everything...at least that's what I'd assume.

Glasses guys super power = double frequent flier miles!

[vincegamer]

My Prediction

I just had a thought about how the season will end. Read on if you are curious as to my prediction.

I think "save the chearleader save the world" doesn't mean she will save the world.
Peter mimics other people's powers, right? But when does he lose them? I think he'll find out he holds on to the power for a short period. It would suck to be able to fly if you could only do it while your brother is right next to you. So he probably gets next to someone then gets their power for an hour or so.
Save the Chearleader
Peter will have a hard choice at some time. One of the options is to save some chearleader (perhaps stop a runaway train is the other so it's a hard choice).
He chooses to save the chearleader, and by doing so, gets close enough to take on her power.
Save the World
Peter has a massive battle with Sylar almost immediately after. We already know Sylar is immune to bullets and can fly, so Peter needs the chearleader power in order to survive the battle with Sylar.
(oh, and he gets crazy woman's super strength without the psychotic tendencies just as he got Isaac's precognition without the drug abuse)

[Hinton]

Whoa.

Stop right there.

If you haven't seen the most recent episode of Heroes (aired 11/13/06), then go watch it and certainly don't read any further.

I haven't been all that thrilled with the show the last couple of weeks, but tonight's episode made up for it.

******************SPOILERS************************ ****






Seriously, don't read any more if you don't want to find anything out without first watching the show, even though these are mostly questions.

Where the hell is Hiro and why did the picture change? What happened when he went back to the past? Just how far back did he go? Did he save the waitress? What part does she play in all of this?

And what is the deal with Sylar? Is there anything that guy can't do? And why is he cutting off the tops of people's head and taking their brains? Is that how he gains superpowers? Is Sylar from the future?

How does Claire's dad know exactly when and where Sylar is going to kill her? Why doesn't he stop it? Has it been tried before and they failed to save her?

Claire obviously has some major part is saving the world, which I believe goes beyond simply stopping a nuclear bomb from going off. Many, many things going on here. I'm sure the last two weeks have a lot to do with what's coming up, but it was still kind of "meh" to me and I feel like they're getting back on track with this episode.

[Queeny]

An odd thing I noticed on the website, where the web comics are. This sentence:

"Think you've read them all? Maybe, but have you found all the hidden surprises?"

Hidden suprises? Anyone know what that might mean?

And this too:

Max Mode
"Max Mode" works exactly like "Read Mode" but with increased magnification. This viewing method is ideal for exploring fine details and perhaps a secret or two!

[vincegamer]

How does Claire's dad know exactly when and where Sylar is going to kill her?

Because he's seen Isaac's paintings. He see's the homecoming banner and recognized the gym.



Why doesn't he stop it? Has it been tried before and they failed to save her?

I have no idea. How can he stop a future that has been predicted if all of Isaac's other paintings have come true?

The picture is cool. Hiro doesn't look happy in it.
Clearly he goes back in time to her birthday party, but he's unable to save her for some reason.

[EricJ]

ok, so I'm ****ed, I missed the last segment of the show, about 10 minutes!! Right after Hiro disappeared...

can any nice person fill me in?

[vincegamer]

Go to NBC.com/Heroes and watch part 6 of the latest episode.

Barring that, Hiro doesn't come back but the photo of the girl at her birthday party the previous week shows her with her arm around Hiro.

Enid uses her mind power to persuade Isaac to take drugs and Isaac paints but we don't see what.

Saresh has a dream where the kid gives him the key he found earlier so when he wakes he uses the key to open the desk and finds a file about learning while sleeping that has a photograph of that same kid.

[Duende]

Gah! Anybody else see the latest episode!

I go to watch hoping to get some answers and leave with only more questions!

Now another week to wait! !!!

[Nathan Caroland]

Watched it tonight on the digital recorder for once, and of course it cut off just as Hero popped in at the waitress so I'll have to watch the last minute or three online tomorrow.

I liked it and found myself wanting more and just a bit disapointed I'm going to have to wait for it, but hey, guess that is a sign of a good series.

Split Personality Mom vamping out with the gun and going hunting for Phase Dad was pretty much a given but I like how she's taken a very brutal thought process of 'if he doesn't see it coming'. I'm figuring once dad knew she was there due to son that he started phasing immediately. He certainly knew something was up - curious to see whether or not she got him or not.

Dream Kid and Mohinder ... great, be cryptic. Yeah, got him on the right path, etc, etc, but .. well it could have been more interesting.

Nathan Petrelli - boy what a pecker, but at the same time, I think I could see why he was doing it as he was thinking he was saving his brother from himself. Thing there is some deep seated love there but its run second best to 'whats best' by what Nathan thinks. Curious to see just where it goes with him.

Peter Petrelli - I like this guy now as he has taken the whole 'hero' bit and is running with it and not knowing a damn bit of whether he can make a difference but trying none-the-less. I figured once I saw the painting and then him and the cheerleader meeting up that yeah, he would die, but he was around her long enough to absorb her powers. I'm curious whether or not he started absorbing them before the fall, or only when she came within his presence and was actually brought back to life, his 'power' acting on its own, whether he was dead or not. Curious whether or not 'Dad' is going to pull any strings to get him out of cop trouble.

Hiro - shot off to the hinterlands after the waitress and got lost apparently. Curious to see what is going on there. Once again, Hiro sort of misses his opportunity, though I expect that is rather the whole point.

Cheerleader - liking her a lot more now to be honest and she is coming to grips with who she is and of course there is the normal teen drama. Did think it was kind of cool that her old BFF who turned bitch turned back to BFF there while she was being killed by Sylar and told her to run ... bit of a saving grace for her. Anyhoo, Sylar is one strong SOB as he backhanded the cheerleader, broke her face rather dramatically as well as her arm. That was kind of cool.

Sylar, Mindwiper, Silvertongued Girl - that was a neat little setup there at the end where the voice chick stopped Sylar long enough for Mindwiper to come along and put him down. Very curious what they are going to do with him. I'm also dead curious just who Sylar is ... for some reason I think its going to be a 'shocker' and he's going to turn out to be one of the characters we've already seen and is back in a time loop or something odd as he is running around with a watch that is broken at a certain time, etc which they seem to keep focusing on.

Pretty good episode, looking forward to the next one and really curious just how they are going to wrap up this season (how many more episodes anyhow?) and the possible future ones.

[Hinton]

Pretty good episode tonight.

I agree with FF on most points, but I'm leaning toward Nathan being more of a villain type down the road. While it's true that he could have been acting out love for his brother, there's still the cavalier attitude he has towards his and Peter's powers; almost like he's embarrassed by them. He seems to be willing to do anything to get elected. The question is: just how far will he go?

I am thinking that Sylar is going to turn out to be someone we've already met. I'm hesitant to put my guess out there, but there are certain things that point in the direction that I'm thinking.

Hiro going back really messed something up. Sylar didn't kill the waitress until Hiro and Ando were at the diner. Hiro goes back and the waitress is killed even sooner. Can Sylar bend time and space as well? Again, just supposition on my part; but I have a bad feeling that I know who it is.

At least there's still new episodes to come. I'm going to hate it when we have to endure re-runs.

[Sergeant_Crunch]

Gah! Anybody else see the latest episode!

I go to watch hoping to get some answers and leave with only more questions!

Now another week to wait! !!!Yes, they are getting annoyingly good at leaving us in suspense.

I'm left wondering if Sylar is dead or if daddy is going to play with him a little bit before burying him somewhere in west Texas. He may escape (I don't think he's dead), but I think daddy's gonna have some fun with him for endangering Clair. I think Hiro is going to be terribly upset that he missed out on saving Clair.

Went back to the website and paused on the list on names on Mohinder's computer. Quite a few folks we haven't met yet, wonder if we will. A number of them already dead as well. I took a screenshot, maybe I can post the names later if I have the time.

I'm starting to think Peter would wear spandex if he was given the option. He's really running with the whole super-hero bit, and it's going to get him into trouble one of these days. I have no doubts that Nathan will get him out of jail as it's too potentially damaging to his campaign, but Peter's going to get an earful when Nathan catches up to him. One thing Peter does need to figure out how to do is to use the powers of those he's up against if he's going to continue in this line of work. Sylar is a telekinetic and that could have been quite useful. Of course that begs the question as to just how close Peter needs to be to mimic powers.

On Nathan becoming a villian, I doubt it. I think he's going to try to stick his head in the sand at every opportunity. I'm guessing that he will be elected and at some point when the issue becomes public knowledge he will vote for some bill that has some kind of negative impact against homo sapiens superior or whatever you want to call those with powers.

I'm wondering if DL bought the farm or not. He has the ability to let the bullet pass through him, but he'd have to know it's coming and bullets travel pretty quickly. I guess it's immaterial (ha! get it!) until we find out more.

About the whole save the cheerleader save the world bit. It's fairly obvious that the mere act of saving her from Sylar didn't stop NYC from going up in flames. She, or her power, are going to be needed to stop it though, that why she needed to be saved.

[vincegamer]

Well, saving her did lead to Sylar's capture....
But why couldn't they do that earlier?
I mean, Glasses tells Eden "find Sylar" and she does!
How hard would it have been to find him and blank him sooner?

Peter getting arrested - associated with a Sylar murder - is a convenient way to bring him in contact with the Cop: the only character who was NOT in last night's episode. FBI chick will show up, and take Peter into custody and take him to their "secure" location. Oh, and Peter didn't try to use telekinetics because he didn't know he could, or at least didn't know how. He doesn't know how close he needs to get, and he was a bit panicked. He's never done anything heroic before and suddenly this cheerleader covered in blood runs screaming past him.

Nathan wins the election - Hiro already told him he would. He saw it when he went to the future and saw the explosion.

Hiro - no idea.

DL - I think he phases reflexively when he's scared. That or she shot the car to keep him from running.
She may be nasty, but might not want her son to see his dad blown to pieces right in front of him. It would be funny if she goes into murder rage close contact and he keeps phasing. She'd keep swinging through him until she exhausted herself.

OH, and How Many Episodes???
Don't know, but looking at James Kyson Lee on IMDB it shows this:

"Heroes" (16 episodes)
Genesis (25 September 2006) - Ando Masahashi
Don't Look Back (2 October 2006) - Ando Masahashi
One Giant Leap (9 October 2006) - Ando Masahashi
Sins of the Father (9 October 2006) - Ando Masahashi
Collision (16 October 2006) - Ando Masahashi
Come Together (16 October 2006) - Ando Masahashi
Hiros (23 October 2006) - Ando Masahashi
Better Halves (30 October 2006) - Ando Masahashi
Nothing to Lose (6 November 2006) - Ando Masahashi
Nothing to Hide (6 November 2006) - Ando Masahashi
Seven Minutes to Midnight (13 November 2006) - Ando Masahashi
Homecoming (20 November 2006) - Ando Masahashi
Six Months Ago (27 November 2006) - Ando Masahashi
Fallout (1 December 2006) - Ando Masahashi
The Fix (31 December 2006) - Ando Masahashi
Godsend (1 January 2007) - Ando Masahashi


Which leaves 4 more episodes with Ando, but notice the gap between December1 and December 31.

[Duende]

I don't know if anyone else caught this, but later on Late Night with Conan O'Brian, one of his guests was Masi Oka who plays Hiro. He's pretty damn funny in RL. One of the things he spoke of was that he thought with his newfound fame that he would get lots of girls. But he said that girls would rush up to him to get thier pictures taken, then turn to him and say, "Thanks! You're my boyfriend's favorite character!"
So he said of himself, "I'm Goofy at Disneyland. Everybody just wants to get a picture with me!"

Anyone else see it?

:D

[vincegamer]

Whoah!
Anyone read the on-line comic?
Eden is pretty scary.
Cross her and die.

[Nathan Caroland]

Give us a clue ... c'mon!

[vincegamer]

Don't you read the on-line comic?

This one was about Eden's early years.
Basically, she told her step-mom to drop dead, and she did.

[Duende]

Has anybody read Hiro's Blog?

Apparently he fell in love with that girl he went back to save but she got killed again anyway. And he says about how he going to try to save her [again].

..and his blog ominously ends with: "P.S. I don't know what happened with the other blog entries. Must be a server glitch."

:kabong:

[Hinton]

The list of heroes on the computer in "Homecoming":

Name...............Location
Felipe Acerra......Deceased
D.L. Hawkings......Las Vegas, NV
Byron Bevington....Marshfield, VT
Niki Sanders.......Las Vegas, NV
Daniel Buzzetti....Greeley, CO
Isaac Mendez.......New York, NY
Tracy Chobham......Frostburg, MD
Nicholas Datre.....Deceased
Paula Gramble......Monteith, IA
Curtis Hovsepian...Grant Pass, OR
Nathan Petrelli....New York, NY
Noel Menzies.......Deceased
Penkala Burton.....Albert Lea, MN
Teresa hue Pham....Shreveport, LA
Matthew Parkman....Los Angeles, CA
Hiro Nakamura......Tokyo, Japan
[Name Unknown].....Midland, TX

On the other side of the screen, the list is cut off and it's difficult to make out the names beyond a certain point.
David Berman.......New York, NY
Leonie Pinkham.....Deceased
Adam Soo Hoo.......Kailua, HI
Linda Tavara.......Deceased
Norman Ventris.....Deceased
Sparrow Redhouse...New Mexico
Anid Halebiu.......Los Angeles, CA

Michelle...........
Candace W..........
Harry Fle..........
Ethan Kim(ble?)....
Abu Aswan..........
Frank Cav..........
Diego Vel..........
Jess Murp(hy?).....
Sue Lande(rs?).....
Pam Green..........

A screenshot:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6141/thelistaki7.jpg

[Nathan Caroland]

What I want to know is why Eden isn't in charge if what she says goes. Makes me think Dad might be hiding something.

[vincegamer]

Well, now you know.
Of course, you don't know why....

This latest episode was interesting, but a bit of a let-down. Nothing progressed.
It does give us some idea why Nathan is so uncomfortable about his powers.

Wimpy American tv writers made it so Charlie was going to die no matter what.
Sylar definitely steals powers, but it's not clear how. Just bad luck of the professor that his first contact was a sociopath.
The cop bit was completely pointless.

[Nathan Caroland]

It was kind of interesting seeing how their powers developed, and more so, it begs the question why they all of a sudden started developing at the same time.

Sylar, interesting, and the episode was more about him IMO than anything else. I think its interesting how his power was to recognize and to figure out how to 'fix' things. Granted, he took it in a completely different and psychotic direction, but he could tell the other guy was 'broken' the same way he did with the watches the second he glanced at them.

Yeah, Charlie died, but atleast now Sylar doesn't have her power either - think that is probably a good thing, though it did suck. I'm curious whether or not Sylar is a cannibal, eating the brains.

[vincegamer]

Wait, Sylar doesn't have her power?
Sylar didn't get her? I thought he did. Ando was there, and Hiro didn't come back until after the cops had cleared everything out.

Anyway, it was clearly about Sylar, so that's nice. Gave some answers.
Yeah, why now? Why all at the same time?

Now, do you read the on-line comic? It's interesting but this last one was twisted. Also, I just discovered that if you click on the inside pages, you get things like behind the scenes photos.

[EricJ]

I was just wondering if Sylar "gained" the brain defect from Charlie also, if he did gain her powers.

Also it seems almost more like he gains powers by understanding them, and how they work, rather than eating brains or actually physically absorbing them like younger brother does. Which makes me also wonder if the mind wiping guy can make him forget the powers he has. The mind wiping guy also seems to have more abilities than we've really been shown, or let to understand

I did like the little back story on suggestion girl, although I didn't think she was nearly as cute with long hair!

[vincegamer]

I didn't think she was nearly as cute with long hair!Oh, absolutely! The pixie look is hot.

[EricJ]

I do agree though, that it is interesting that all the powers start about a similar time, within a 6 month-ish window

[vincegamer]

Hey, why does Peter have dreams about his brother's powers?

He has been doing that a lot, long before he realized he had powers.
It's like every time Nathan flies, Peter dreams it.

[Nathan Caroland]

He might have more powers than led to believe (Peter) though I'm curious to see him really come into his own and start figuring these things out.

As for Sylar, not sure whether or not he got Charlie or whether she died of that blood clot and everyone was still mourning.

[vincegamer]

Well, Hiro could not prevent her from going to work that day, since Ando met her.
So I'm assuming Sylar got her brain.

I do wonder what he's doing with the brains. He and Saresh figured out that the key to the power was in the brain so he's taking the brains and somehow taking the powers. Could be eating them, but that's a bit simplistic. I think he's somehow turning them into a device. Making a watch out of brain parts that he can use to manipulate the powers.
Juts a wild theory.

I don't think he can sense the power in someone; that the telekene was "broken".
He went after the wrong cheerleader after all, and apparently didn't know that Peter had powers.

[Duende]

Well, I finally watched my recorded episode of Hereos. I'm a little concerned that Charlie and I share a birthday. Does that mean something? Should I be worried that a crazy super-powered homocidal maniac will be coming after my brain!? :laugh:

I'm also wondering what the rationale is behind everybody's powers appearing at the same time. Also why everyone with Powers appear to be in thier 30's or younger. And also waiting for the cop to have a point for being there.

Hopefully more answers next week, but then no more new episodes until after the new year! :(

[matty1001]

Why will there be no more episodes? My mate mentioned it was something to do with American scheduling? Anyone want to shed any light?

[Duende]

Rehashed holiday programming takes precedence over new episodes of good shows here. It sucks.

[matty1001]

Ah right, what on all of the 9484746363 channels you have over there!?

[Nathan Caroland]

You sure? I thought Vince posted a guide on episodes coming out (too lazy to go back and look for it). They are doing a marathon of all the Heroes on the Sci-Fi channel this coming Sunday though as a heads up.

[vincegamer]

I listed the episodes identified on IMDB as having Ando in them.
For some reason he's the most updated of the actors on the show. I think he's supposed to be the next big star. Funny that he's not one of the supers.
Anyway, according to IMDB on him, he's still got these episodes coming:

Fallout (1 December 2006) - Ando Masahashi
The Fix (31 December 2006) - Ando Masahashi
Godsend (1 January 2007) - Ando Masahashi

So technically there is next week and 1 more episode before the new year, but actually, why would there be an episode 12/31/06 and another 1/1/07? 12/31 is a Sunday. Odd.
Come to think of it, 12/1 is this Friday.
Something is not right with IMDB's dates, or they are going to screw up the timing of the program.
Oh well, doesn't affect me as I watch it on the web site anyway.


[edit] One more thing: interesting back story on Nicki/Jessica wasn't it? At least we know who Jessica is now. Just how or what will become of her we'll have to wait and see.

[Nathan Caroland]

I kind of thought the Jessica thing was interesting but I'm not sure if she's actually there or if mom just happens to have a split personality and she is the one seeing Jessica and when she comes to somethng that she can't cope with, she turns on her sister who happens to be everything she is not.

Be interesting to see how that pans out.

I'm still very curious about the whole tattoo thing and just what exactly Dad is doing with the captured heroes.

[Hinton]

I thought it was a pretty good episode; gives us some insight on the pasts of some of the characters. It does explain why Nathan wants to avoid the subject of his flying.

At least we know exactly who Sylar is now; although they didn't exactly explain how he takes the powers of others. Not sure I want to know.

Like FF, I'm curious about the tattoos and what the Dad is up to.

[vincegamer]

True. Not only do they all begin to develop powers at the same time, but they also all develop that tattoo at the same time.

I'm not buying the whole genetics thing. I mean, Suresh followed genetic markers to identify these people. He had to be doing a hell of a lot of genaeology.
Anyone else not trust that Indian guy who tried to talk both Suresh AND Mohinder out of following the pattern to the supers? I think he knows something.
For one thing, he totally lied to Mohinder about the kid. He knew about the kid already.

[matty1001]

Sylar fixes stuff and he knows that something isn't working in that fella's head, so im guessing he takes the brains of people with powers and then somehow manages to 'wire' them into his own brain?
Hence the fact that if he had gotten the cheerleader, with her power he would (in theory) be indestructible.

[vincegamer]

Again, I don't think Sylar knows when something isn't working in someone's head. He would have been able to detect Peter, Hiro, the Cop, and probably even the Hatian, and he would have got the right cheerleader in the locker room. He was totally surprised when Clair got back up after he slammed her into the wall.

p.s. I'm still wondering if the little girl has powers.

[matty1001]

Which little girl? Clair?

[vincegamer]

No, the little girl who was hiding under the stairs when we first meet the cop and the FBI agent.

[Nathan Caroland]

Only reason I can think of him going after her - betting she's going to turn out to be the key or the big uber power of them all.

[Hinton]

Aw, man! No new episodes until Jan. 22! That blows.

Anwyay, interesting episode tonight. If you didn't catch it, then I won't spoil anything for you, but definitely some twists and turns.

And yes, a Hero dies.

I was thinking that it would be some hero that was introduced and then killed in the same episode (much like The Waitress was), but it wasn't. It's someone that's been around for a while.

Given the developments, it's going to be really interesting to see what happens.

[Sergeant_Crunch]

When they announced when the new episodes would start againt I immediately went into DT convulsions. I'm mostly better now, but not quite.

[Queeny]

oh man I know what you mean Crunch. I wrote it in giant letters on my calendar so we can all be there. My whole family is hooked, hubby, kids, brother and sister-in-law too :). And I'll refrain from talking about the episode until it seems more here have seen it.

[vincegamer]

Man, why did they have to kill Lady Jessica? Now she can never give birth to the Quizzach Haderach.
(raise your hand if you have any idea what I'm talking about)

Has everyone seen it now? Cause I'm going to start talking about it.

Loved Sylar. Don't know why his abilities aren't supposed to work in that room, but he warned Glasses man and they didn't do anything about it.
("I know how things work" - clearly he knew how the room worked and knew how to get around that)
Why he was resistant to Eden I can't say, but I still don't know why the dad was.

Eden said "if the Hatian could talk..." but then he does. Why is he making everyone think he's a mute?

So someone here seems to have predicted it right about the radiation guy.

I like how he dreamed all the heroes, even the ones he hasn't met. But why did he dream Isaac's girlfriend?

Okay, enough for now.

[Queeny]

I think Sylar's powers didn't work in the room because the Haitian was always there when glasses man was, blocking his powers. Then when Eden went in, the Haitian was at Claire's, so she was not protected from his powers. That's just my theory anyway. How Sylar was able to resist her I dont know.

Oh and I loved the feedback effect of the cop and Peter, that was great :D

I have so many questions too, and I figure they will answer them in January, but here are some:

1. Why is Peter getting sick and what with? Is it just a normal cold or something more ominous?
2. Why did Peter have those dreams? It seems his powers come from being around others with powers, so the dreams seem kinda out of place to me. Or maybe he retains some latent powers from each of his encounters, and Isaac's power is trying to push through in his dreams?
3. Why is the Haitian going against his boss about Claire? What does he know?

I'm sure there's more rumbling around in my head, but those are the 3 I thought of right off.

Oh and Vince, I think he was dreaming Isaac's girlfriend because she's sorta become Peter's girlfriend. Or at least she's emotionally involved with him. I get your Dune reference but not in regards to who was killed... ?

[vincegamer]

Oh, I thought it was obvious to Dune fans.
In Dune, the Bene Geserit have a certain power.

[matty1001]

So there will be no more until the end of January? I have to download all of mine from torrentspy, so i don't know if theve ended for now or not?

[Queeny]

Oh, I thought it was obvious to Dune fans.
In Dune, the Bene Geserit have a certain power.

Ah, stupid me.. I didn't make the connection with her type of power. Yep, I'm a doofus. :D

[DrEvilmonki]

I think Sylar's powers didn't work in the room because the Haitian was always there when glasses man was, blocking his powers. Then when Eden went in, the Haitian was at Claire's, so she was not protected from his powers.

Actually I don't think the cancelling power is the Haitians. All the other heroes only have one ability so far. The Haitian can wipe peoples memories.
I think the reason Sylar couldn't use his power while in the room was because of the father.

Of course I could be completely wrong.:)

[matty1001]

I thought it was the Haitian blocking the powers because in the police station the fella coudnt read the minds of Clair and her Dad , and the Haitian was just around the corner.

[DrEvilmonki]

I thought it was the Haitian blocking the powers because in the police station the fella coudnt read the minds of Clair and her Dad , and the Haitian was just around the corner.

Yeah but the dad was there to so for me it's inconclusive.

[Hinton]

But the Haitian was in the bar when Parkman (the cop) was trying to read minds. When Parkman tried to read his mind, he didn't hear anything and passed out. However, if the Haitian simply cancels out powers by proximity (such as in the police station), then Parkman wouldn't have been able to read the minds of others in the bar.

Of course, the dad could have been there somewhere and it's just an attempt at misdirection to make us think that it's the Haitian with the power to cancel other's powers.

[DrEvilmonki]

Actually now that I think about it The butler did it!

Yeah I thought about the bar, but the dad was waitng for him when he woke up so I assume he was close by. Of course there is no way of knowing how long the cop was out for so the dad could have arrived later.
It's really just that dual power thing that makes me scratch my chin and go hmmmm?

EDIT: It just occured to me; if the Haitian could quash peoples powers why would he have needed Eden to help with Sylar? He wouldn't need for Sylar to be hypnotized because he wouldn't have been able to fight back anyway.

[vincegamer]

Plus, the dad stayed home with Clair (or so he thought) while he sent the Haitian and Eden to get Sylar.
Which means the dad thought he could somehow protect Clair without the Haitian.

[Queeny]

Well, we saw that the power block isn't perfect, as the cop, when he tried hard enough was able to punch through a bit. Maybe they figured that not knowing Sylars strength they should send both, just to be safe.

[Hinton]

OK, something just occurred to me.

We know that the powers are genetic in nature, right? We also know that it can be passed to kids as seen with Micah (D.L. and Niki's son). Strange thought, but what if Clair's dad really is her biological father? Perhaps an indiscretion at some time in the past? Just a thought.

[vincegamer]

My theory is that the block is actually technology-based.

[EricJ]

ok, I've been thinking on this episode some now, but still don't know quite what to post about it.

With Peter, he's always had some other special ability, as he was dreaming about his brothers car crash when that happened, so having a vision about the future isn't all that unusual. And his absorbtion ability seem very short range, so it'd not make sense he was picking it up from someone as he walked out of the jail.

With Eden, I sort of got a feeling she was the one to go relatively early in the episode, they started leading up to her leaving, even without her dying. I suppose they could have had her just leave, but I have a feeling that somewhere down the line it's important that sylar have absorbed her power for their plot line, so they had to kill her off. Interesting the Jail worked for a while, then suddenly didn't though.

It was confirmed Sylar "understands" powers, and thats how he adds them to his own. They even mentioned genetic changes to make it happen. The odd thing is that at one point he seemed to have the abilities of some of our heros, as he got shot a few times and didn't die, and also then flew off (like 6 episodes back). Anyway, the fact that his powers seem to develop and evolve, so perhaps he managed to "understand" what was blocking his powers over time and changed to avoid it. He did seem "meditative" while in that prison.

Still basically totally bored by the whole Niki/DL plot. Why don't they DO SOMETHING INTERESTING with these characters. It's like a superpowered domestic dispute. There are better stories on COPS sometimes.

[EricJ]

PS. I do REALLY like the plot twist with the Haitian. For the whole show so far we've been lead to believe he's nothing more than a pawn of the Dad, but it turns out he has his own goals and motivations. Or maybe they had to develop him since they had to kill off Eden due to the contract dispute...

[vincegamer]

With Eden, I sort of got a feeling she was the one to go relatively early in the episode, they started leading up to her leaving, even without her dying. I suppose they could have had her just leave, but I have a feeling that somewhere down the line it's important that sylar have absorbed her power for their plot line, so they had to kill her off.
The point was Sylar did not absorb her power. She killed herself so he couldn't.
That's further explained in the on-line comic. I guess he needs the brain intact.

Yeah, they were signaling her demise. They tried to make her less sympathetic by having her suggest murdering Sylar. Then they actually have her attempt to murder Sylar against orders.

[EricJ]

ummm, is it bad that I sort of liked her more when she got all hard core on the killing sylar thing, it made me more sad when she died. I guess I just light tough pixxy women :(

I guess I did notice she shot herself, although I sort of wonder why he didn't just stop that with his telekenetic ability.

[vincegamer]

He's not quick enough to stop a bullet. Recall Cartman shot him once already.

[Nathan Caroland]

You know, I rather liked this episode, just finished it up tonight.

The drama between the parents - bleah, whatever. Kill someone, don't kill someone, those two have really gotten uninteresting to me now and its going to take something really big to make them even of the most basic interest to me now I think.

Like the cop - he's trying to actively use his powers now, figure them out, fight through the blocks and he's gotten more interest from me now because of it. I'm curious to see if he's going to manage anything more with his power.

Cheerleader situation I think is rather cool with Dad wiping out the familys minds with the Hatian, apparently more than once with the mother and the Hatian seems to not be happy with the situation. Very interesting twist now seeing him talk, much less making the decisions on his own here. Also seems like he has more than one power, with the ability to blank out a persons mind as well as turn off their powers, or actively block them. Not sure if this is because he's messing with parts of their brains which apparently their powers are connected to or if it is something more.

Isak is cool - like seeing him off the junk and actively using his powers now with a bit of encouragement from Hiro. Oh, and the painting of Hiro facing off against a dinosaur with a sword - loved it! Hiro "I have got to find that sword ...".

Peter I find more and more interesting as well. I wonder if he is starting to get sick because he has so many different powers around him and they are starting to conflict. Hiro, Hatian, Nathan, Cheerleader, Isak, Cop, Sylar, he's been around all of them in the last 24 hours. Also, He seems to also have another power besides cloning powers to that being something involving dreams, though if you've noticed, all of his dreams are different from reality, though close enough to it. I wonder if he becomes the 'burning man' because he inadvertantly takes on the power of the Radiation guy and doesn't have a clue on how to control it where as the other guy has, poorly, but none-the-less, has.

Now someone said something about contract issues with the chick that plays Eden - is that a fact? Curious how they got rid of her actually, but it works rather well, but its odd that her power didn't affect him. It didn't really seem to do all that well either when she confronted him in the woods, I think having the Hatian around actively against him as well must have made it so the two of them could bring him down. Without him this time around, she screwed up.

Overall - good stuff, and really looking forward to the next one which I think will be a good one considering the time between the episodes.

[Sergeant_Crunch]

I'm starting to think Clair's dad is the one blocking powers and not the Haitian. Becuase when they captured Sylar, Eden was still able to use her power of suggestion, which of course is easily explainable as the Haitian being able to selective cancel powers, but I think it's more of a field effect, a dead zone for superpowers that's not really controlled. This would explain why dad thought he could protect her from Sylar. Of course though that wouldn't have allowed Nathan to escape when dad had captured him in Vegas. Maybe the technology route is the way for cancelling superpowers.

Regarding the Haitian, I'm starting to think that he may be taking orders from dad's bosses. We know that dad answers to somebody becuase he wasn't allowed to kill Sylar. Either that or he's flat out ignoring dad becuase he thinks Clair should know about her power. The Haitian has most likely seen Isaak's paintings and knows that her power is needed. Which most likely ties into the whole "Save the Cheerleader" bit. She's going to be needed in New York. My guess is to save Peter after he goes critical.

I find the whole Nikki/Jessica interesting as a co-worker and I are obsessed with figuring them out, what causes the switch, who's going to end up in control. Could care less about the whole DL/Nikki domestic dispute other than seeing him foil her latest attempt by phasing out.

[Hinton]

I find the whole Nikki/Jessica interesting as a co-worker and I are obsessed with figuring them out, what causes the switch, who's going to end up in control. Could care less about the whole DL/Nikki domestic dispute other than seeing him foil her latest attempt by phasing out.

What causes her to switch from Nikki to Jessica and back is generally some kind of stress or intense emotion. At least, that's usually the case regarding people with Multiple Personality Disorder/Dissociative Identity Disorder (MPD/DID). There could be other factors as well, but it seems to hold true to the usual: Nikki gets in a stressful or dangerous situation and Jessica takes over. Once the stress is relieved or the danger passes or (at times) feeling the intense love for her son, Nikki takes back over.

As for who ends up in control: no idea. My money's on Nikki, though.

[Nathan Caroland]

I think in the end we'll find that Dad is a power, one way or another, and just doesn't advertise it in the least bit. Only way I can see him dealing with other powers in the least - or, like some of you others have said, he's got a technological advantage in some fashion.

[Duende]

No Heroes tonight! :sad2:

I was reminded tonight when my VCR kicked on to tape whatever crap is on in place of it.

What am I supposed to do now???

:alcoholic

[Hinton]

Yeah, it sucks.

You could back and re-watch the past episodes and see if there's anything that you may have missed. Maybe see if there's some other show on that might tide you over until Jan. 22nd. Play video games, maybe read a book.

Just don't paint any minis for while! :lol:

[Duende]

Yeah, it sucks.
Play video games, maybe read a book.

Just don't paint any minis for while!

Hmmm, true, I haven't played my Final Fantasy X:2 yet... and there's that new book out by that author I like....

Wait! What's that I hear?.....

Why, it's some minis calling to me from my painting table!




....I'm coming!

:vb_devil:

[vincegamer]

So I was watching TV last night and a commercial for Neutrogena face stuff came on. It's just like all their other commercials, young pretty girl splashes goop over unnaturally smooth skin.
Then I notice she looks familiar.
Sure enough, it's Hayden Panettiere.
She's the new covergirl for Neutrogena's advertising.
busy girl.

[Nathan Caroland]

That's that 16 year old girl right?

Speaking of Heroes, when does that come back on?

[Hinton]

Yep, that's her.

Heroes will be back on starting Jan. 22nd.

[Nathan Caroland]

Grrr - see I was thinking it was the 2nd for some reason and was looking for it the other night. Go figure - but I can wait, though they better make it a good one.

[vincegamer]

Yes, it's the teenage girl.

I also saw a commercial for "Rocky Balboa" and there's a glimpse of Rocky's son.
Sure enough, I checked with IMDB and it's Milo Ventimiglia (a.k.a. Peter Petrelli).

p.s. I kind of miss the days when hollywood actors would change their names to something simpler.

[EricJ]

yeah, the Heros cast is getting A LOT of attention right now it seems. I bet you the the Eden girl is kicking herself for working herself off the show due to a contract dispute.

[vincegamer]

So what do you think of the new chick Hana?
I'm not real keen on her power. It seems too hard to believe. I mean, I'm buying time travel, flight, super strength etc. But being able to "hear" email is just wacky. There's so much out there how would she know what to listen for?

[Nathan Caroland]

Huh-what ... what did I miss? Thought the next episode wasn't till the 22nd?

[Duende]

See the online graphic novel HERE (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/) to see Hana mentioned.

The 22nd is toooo far away!!!

[matty1001]

Has this started again now?

[vincegamer]

I am apparently the biggest junkie.
I read the on-line comic.
There haven't been new episodes of the show, but the comic is still updating.
On the NBC website there's also a preview of the upcoming episode that aired on Late Night with Jay Leno, where Hiro and Nathan have a chat.

[Nathan Caroland]

Yeah you must be the biggest junkie cause I just forgot about it till it comes back to be honest. That being said, I did go read the last three on Hana and she looks rather interesting, though I'm not sure if there are others, I just haven't bothered to look.

[vincegamer]

There's a comic that takes up where every episode leaves off.
To get the whole story you have to read the comic.
Some questions are actually answered in the comic so it's a bit sneaky of them.

[Hinton]

Here's a couple of write-ups about Heroes that I found that I thought some of you might like (if you haven't seen them already):

"There's a new hero in town, played by "Doctor Who" alumnus Christopher Eccelston, as the the hit series returns from hiatus. His entrance won't be subtle, but what event on this show is? Nathan (Adrian Pasdar) seeks Simone's (Tawny Cypress) help to save Peter (Milo Ventimiglia), while Hiro and Ando (Masi Oka, James Kyson Lee) go in search of a samurai sword seen in one of Isaac's paintings."

And an excerpt from an interview with Tim Kring, Heroes creator:

So what's ahead?

"Well, we have not set up a premise that has an ending in sight," Kring says. "Unlike other seralized shows, we don't start with a premise of - the premise that we did start with, we proselytized an apocalyptic event would happen. Our plan is to deal with that in the first season and then have that replaced by something in the second season."

Sounds pretty interesting. They'll deal with the atomic explosion (somehow) and then come up with something else to have the Heroes deal with. And it's great that they're talking about a second season.

[matty1001]

Well atleast it'll not just drag on like lost is.

[vincegamer]

Of course it will have a 2nd season. It's one of the biggest hit the network has. Golden globes, people's choice awards, Masi Oka appearing on the Tonight show (anyone remember him from Scrubs?).

[Hinton]

Of course it will have a 2nd season. It's one of the biggest hit the network has. Golden globes, people's choice awards, Masi Oka appearing on the Tonight show (anyone remember him from Scrubs?).

Yep; he was Franklin the lab tech.

[Duende]

:heeeellll I hope you all didn't forget... new episode tonight!!!! :heeeellll

[Hinton]

:heeeellll I hope you all didn't forget... new episode tonight!!!! :heeeellll

New epsiode of what?

:laugh:

The VCR is set and ready to go.

[vincegamer]

so, who watched.
And the real fan-geek question... who watched the "extra" video?

Apparently it came before the show, but I didn't see it on the TV. It's on the web though.

[Hinton]

I watched and thought it was a great episode. And I did see the "Wireless" video. Might be interesting to see where that leads.

[vincegamer]

I was tooling around on the NBC website and found a couple interesting things.

First off, anyone go to www.primatechpaper.com?
I haven't quite gotten to calling the number yet but I am curious.

Second, George Takei is going to play Hiro's dad in an upcoming episode.
I've always been a big fan. I even have an autographed poster (not quite a trekker but still a fan).

[Hinton]

I was tooling around on the NBC website and found a couple interesting things.

First off, anyone go to www.primatechpaper.com? (http://www.primatechpaper.com?)
I haven't quite gotten to calling the number yet but I am curious.

Second, George Takei is going to play Hiro's dad in an upcoming episode.
I've always been a big fan. I even have an autographed poster (not quite a trekker but still a fan).

I called the number. There's the usual automated menu, but it also says something about knowing someone's access code, then you can dial it at any time. I wonder what HRG wrote on the back of the business card.

If you're on the website, there's a section for "Jobs" which needs an access code to get to the employment application. You can get that by selecting option three; "Sales", I think it is. I haven't filled out the app yet, but I wonder what might happen. It does say that one of their HR people will call soon.

Pretty cool. Thanks, vince!

[TheMasses]

There's a little discussion about the Primatech site over at Digg.com. It looks like a sign up to get spammed by NBC.

Linky (http://digg.com/television/NBC_creates_alternate_reality_game_for_Heroes)

[EricJ]

All I have to say is that this Lindeman must be involved more that he seems, he has his finger in too many of the story lines so just be some random crime boss/art/antiques collector...

[Hinton]

All I have to say is that this Lindeman must be involved more that he seems, he has his finger in too many of the story lines so just be some random crime boss/art/antiques collector...

I was thinking that myself. I wonder if HRG (Claire's dad) actually works for him.

[Hinton]

My daughter was watching Disney Channel and a commercial came on that she pointed out to me. It's actually a music video for the Cinderella 3 movie sung by Hayden Panettiere (Claire). Great singing voice.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wPmfHjgJXXw

[vincegamer]

I just read the TV Guide interview with the Executive Producer/Creator of the show.

He said Claire's going to learn who her dad is and it will be a "shocker".
He also said she will then have to road-trip to meet him.
So, all speculation that HRG is her real dad is refuted.
That just leaves Nathan Petreli.

[DrEvilmonki]

could be sylar? or is he to young?

[matty1001]

Did anybody notice the cockroach next to Sylar, with them being the only animal that can survive after a nuclear blast, and the nuclear hands man (and explosion), i thought there might be a little connection.

[vincegamer]

Sylar is probably too young, but I don't know.
However, we do know he was a totally socially inept dork before meeting the professor, so no way he could have gotten laid - particularly in Texas.

[Nathan Caroland]

Finally got around to watching this weeks episode and I rather liked it but it has really left me asking more questions.

Like the Invisible Man, he played Dr. Who here up until recently and rather like him. Rather interesting individual, 'oh your one of those types'. Obviously he has seen super powers before, from several different individuals and can classify them so to speak.

Claire is interesting with what she's going through living the whole lie bit. Annoying to me in some cases but I think she's actually doing it pretty good justice as she is a teenager and her actions sort of fit with what I think she would do anyhow. I liked the idea that she was able to track down her mother who seems to be a flame caster of some sort though she seems a bit batty - likely from thinking she killed her baby from way back when when she apparently 'blew up'. She probably did, 'cept the baby being Claire probably had her powers already and healed up just fine.

Something tells me that this started out like a government experiment of some sort or genetics research, or possibly has been clued in early on it and has seen it messed with genetically. Interesting how all of the sudden 'old time' powers are starting to come out of the woodwork, individuals who have had the power for a long time and have lived, albeit quite possibly screwy in the head over it.

Hero and his buddy irritated me this episode and the whole 'father' thing I didn't quite follow. Usually I like him but this time about I was just 'bleah' about it. Am curious as to what is going to go on with that.

Walk Through Walls, Split Personality Girl and Electronic Boy got a bit more interesting this time around. Waiting to see when blondie gets out of the ward though and quits whining. Same with Dad.

Recording cut off just before the end of the show for some reason, but I expect Sylar did some nasty stuff to the doctor and escaped.

[EricJ]

no, it pretty much ended when he woke up, but in the previews of next week, we see a beating going down.

So I guess Hiro's dad is Lindeman? That's good I think, and I think shows Lindeman has big powers of his own. But also is intent on making the explosion happen for some reason...

[vincegamer]

No, from the website it simply appears Hiro's dad is Hiro's dad.
He came over from Japan to get his son to come back and get back to work learning the family business from the ground up.
It's in the interview with George Takei.

[EricJ]

too bad, that's boring! (comparatively :P)

[vincegamer]

Of course, I never said Hiro's dad didn't carry the genetic marker for super powers....
Maybe he's a time traveler and actually IS that ancient samurai....

[Nathan Caroland]

Heeey .. that's an interesting idea. I figure he has to have something going for him since apparently his henchman said 'he has real power'.

[vincegamer]

Finally watched the latest episode.

I couldn't get it to run in the usual place on the NBC website, but there's a "cast commentary" video where you can watch it.
Just maximize the show and minimize the commentary and it's fine.


So,
If you haven't seen it stop reading this and go watch it.

Neat stuff.
George Takei was taken out of the story too soon. I wanted to see him have power or his daughter have power, but no such luck - for now.

Peter still having the powers was awesome. He thought he only had the powers while with someone, but he actually keeps them, kind of like antibodies I guess.

Nathan - saw that a mile away.

Sylar - nice bit of acting. Good save by HRG. Annoying bit where mom almost gives his name but stops to chastise the dog. Too contrived.
What was that stuff on the back of his head?

"old friend is not as dead as we thought" - great line.

Why does Isaak help HRG?

Why does Peter think Simone is cheating? It's pretty clear from the conversation she's just hashing over the past and it's Isaac who has feelings.

Well, that's all I can think of for now.

[EricJ]

yeah, did you see the licence plate on Takei's car? - NCC 1701

But really I wasn't that interested in that story line, seemed like a random sideplot and nothing to it really other than family squable...

I liked the Peter thing, that makes his power a LOT more awesome, A LOT

Yeah, Nathan, not a surprise

Sylar, good plot with him and HRG this time!

Still TOTALLY bored with Nikki and Family story line, no point

[Hinton]

The thing with Niki/Jessica I think is being set-up to make her a super-villain. The whole "bomb-man" thing will be resolved this season, but after that the heroes need someone/something to stop and I think it'll be Jessica (or at least involve her somehow).

A note about HRG: When the show started, I was pretty sure that the character would turn out be pretty much like Cigarette-Smoking Man from X-Files; very two-dimensional (apologies to all of you CSM fans - just my opinion). I'm glad to see that he's not. Sure, he's got some secret stuff going on and we still don't know what his first name is, but there is a human side to him that really gives the character depth.

I had HRG picked, but I figured that was a stretch. Nathan, of course, was the obvious choice.

Sylar: great acting by Zachary Quinto. He pulls off the character of Sylar without going overboard, although it could be very easy to do.

Peter: yeah, pretty cool that he can keep all of those powers and use them when he needs to. Now, if he can jsut control it.

Invisible Man (Claude): Questions abound about this guy. How does he know how to teach Peter to control his power? How many other "empaths", or even heroes, has he come across? How much - and what - does he know?

[vincegamer]

Well, he clearly knows HRG, and has for at least 15 years.

I disagree about the Niki/Jessica thing.
Remember when she's Niki and she's in prison and wants to touch her son?
The guard swings his club at her and she catches it and snaps it in two.
She has the superstrength when she's Niki, she just lacks the confidence.
I'm still undecided if she's possessed or really has MPD.
Anyway, I think a crisis will come and Niki will take over and save things.

The creator said someone who has been with us from the beginning will die this season.
It could be Jessica, but leaving the kid motherless would be a bit harsh for American TV.
I'm guessing it's either Simone or Isaac - Hiro hasn't been able to save anyone he saw die yet, why would Isaac be any different?

Anyway, just rambling.

[DrEvilmonki]

So is that a bit more interesting for those bored with Niki/Jessica?

[vincegamer]

Just watched the latest episode.
Peter is getting way cooler.
I expected Simone would be the one to die, I just didn't predict how it would happen, or that it would happen so soon.

Neat cameo by Stan Lee.

[Hinton]

I honestly didn't predict Simone being the one to die. Should be interesting to see what develops because of her death.

Now that Peter has better control over "his" powers, he could be a lot of fun. It's good to see that he's gone from a kind of whiny, wishy-washy character to a more intense one.

The show just keeps getting more and more interesting.

[vincegamer]

I love the fact that Peter now has every power Sylar had (at the time they met anyway).

[Queeny]

Yeah, there are powers Peter shoud have now from Sylar he doesn't even know about. That should prove veery interesting, as Peter will continue to absorb Sylar's new powers every time they meet :D

[Duende]

Also Peter has Claire's healing power that Sylar doesn't! That's been a help to him once already.

[EricJ]

I actually really like the new superhero group forming with the cop, nuke guy and the new girl, that has fun story lines and somehow season 2 badguys written all over it :)

[vincegamer]

agreed.
Of course, it's really the first time we've seen any of the heroes "team up" for a common goal. They are all sort of working at the edges for the same thing, but not together.

Oh, and next week we should be able to see if HRG Bennet can block Parkman's powers or if that really was the Haitian's power - or something altogether different.
I hope they quickly figure out that Clair is just as curious as they are to know what's going on.

[vincegamer]

If you're a fan of this show, you'll enjoy this Heroes parody.

If you're not a fan, why are you reading this thread?

Zeroes (http://www.break.com/index/zeroes_a_heroes_parody.html)

[matty1001]

lol, like it! Il have to save that for Laura to watch, as shes the Heroes fan, i just download the thing for her to watch!
But this has just started airing in the UK so any Brits that havn't been able to watch it, can now.

[Hinton]

Ok, not going to spoil it if you haven't seen the latest episode, but it kicked ass!

Still quite a few questions, but Linderman is finally revealed and it's not one of those deals where it's the last 20 seconds of the show, either.

What really cheeses me off is that there won't be any new episodes until April 23rd. That's right; a month and a half. Considering how this episode ended, it's going to be a long wait.

[matty1001]

Why the wait?
I really don't understand American scheduling!

[Hinton]

Why the wait?
I really don't understand American scheduling!

Personally, I think they should make a season of shows (which is usually 24 or so) and then just run them, one per week until the end of the seaon. Enough of this "run a few episodes to see how it's going to do" crap. You just can't tell how good or popular a show will be if you don't give it time. It's like the networks are afraid to take a chance.

I understand the studio's point of view that if they make that many shows and then don't run them, they lose money. However, considering how many millions they make from the successful shows, they can afford to splurge a little. They may not realize just how popular a show may become if given time.

Look at The X-Files: Fox was ready to cancel it, but they took a chance and look how it turned out. Firefly was a great show, but Fox axed it before it really got a chance. Look how many fans there are of that.

I say screw the focus groups and the Nielsen ratings. In this day and age, all a person has to do is look on the internet to find out how popular (or unpopular) and well-liked (or hated) a show may be. That should be their guide.

[vincegamer]

Look at The X-Files: Fox was ready to cancel it, but they took a chance and look how it turned out. Firefly was a great show, but Fox axed it before it really got a chance. Look how many fans there are of that.

Heck, look at "Family Guy": Fox DID cancel it, TWICE!

[matty1001]

So its a sercurity thing because you make long seasons then?

Our seasons (or serie's) only go on for about 6 episodes (up to about 10 or 12 with some shows) so we musn't be taking as big a risk.

I understand the logic behind it, but yea its daft, and they must realise its doing well by viewer ratings alone ???

[EricJ]

well, shows don't stay on based on how good they are, or internet popularity, they stay on based on how much they can charge for advertising time durring the show, which is based almost solely on how many eyes will view that ad. So as nice as it would be to judge these by different standards...it's hard to do.

That said, I would think that the television execs would notice a trend in Sci-Fi -ish programs and how it takes a season or 3 to really get going, but then can turn really popular. X-files is a good example, and hell, even Star Trek TNG was barely afloat for the first couple seasons, and then took off and turned into 3 other series and a few movies.

That said, I don't think Heroes is having any problem with ratings, they're just doing it to mess with us :D

PS, great episodes recently, they do a nice job at both answering questions quickly but raising a ton more to take their place. Not sure I like this new shapechange girl though

[Nathan Caroland]

My damn DVR is messing up, missing the last few minutes (apparently the future painting guy was shooting at Peter and I assume shot the girlfriend - then I see an add the other day where shes saying 'want to shoot me more' so I assume she's a damn power too?) and of course it didn't record last nights.

Ah well - have to watch it on the internet, but I think its quite interesting, though I find myself not rushing for the TV either to watch it. Much be a phase I'm in since I normally don't care for TV.

[EricJ]

you know you can just log on and watch the final few minutes online if you miss something :)

[vincegamer]

I was all geared up to watch it but started painting my IP mini and next thing I know it's 10:00 and I've missed it.

[DrEvilmonki]

I have to say I'm really enjoying it now. Thought it had potential before but am thinking it is reaching that potential now. Not many programs actually make me want to see every episode these days but by the end of the week I am really hanging out for the new episode.

[thewartoad]

I've watched the 1st episode...but I have to many shows that I watch. As the saying goes...Too many things too little time...LOST is my favorite though! Cheers!

[vincegamer]

Have you guys seen this website?
http://www.samantha48616e61.com/

It's kind of fun though I don't have time now to fully explore it.

[vincegamer]

So have any of you guys (and gals) been following the web stuff for the show?
Apparently Mohinder has taken over his dad's website and made it a tribute site.
You can even read the forward to his book:
http://www.activatingevolution.org/#

I'm impressed how much work they are putting into the background of this show, trying to truly produce a multi-media experience.

[EricJ]

heads up, new episode tomorrow :)

[Nathan Caroland]

You know I stopped watching right at that episode where Hero left his buddy after that shootout with the crooks. Anything interesting since then?

Can you watch the old episodes online or is it only the previous one just shown that you can see?

[vincegamer]

Haven't tried to watch old episodes.

You should know that Ando came back.
Somehow he got a job as a security guard at the casino and when Hiro got into the artifact room, Ando rescued him.

[Hinton]

Finally, after waiting for over a month, Heroes returns. From what I've seen, there will be five episodes and those will wrap up the whole "nuclear explosion" plotline.



Can you watch the old episodes online or is it only the previous one just shown that you can see?

You can see any of the past episodes that've been aired over at the Heroes website: Heroes (http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes.shtml)

[Nathan Caroland]

Figures, now I'm going to be stuck in front of the computer a bit to catch up on everything.

[watwe]

cant get it yet i hope one day they show it on a channel that i can get

[Duende]

Who caught last night's episode? Is Mohinder the biggest pansy ever?!

"Gee, here lying unconscious on the floor is the most evil of evil people I know. He killed my dad and he tortured and almost killed me. And if he goes on, he will keep on his homocidial tendencies and bump off more people I know, becoming more and more powerful.

Aww, but he looks so cute when he's sleeping... I guess I'll let him live."

GADS!!!!:motz:

[EricJ]

so, after giving everyone else the heads up, oh, I missed it last night...good job Eric...I guess it's watching it on the web for me!

[vincegamer]

Michelle,
I thought about that.
I excused it in a couple of ways.
First, how's he going to kill him? Cut his throat with a big piece of glass? That's likely to wake him up before it kills him, and Mohinder can't fight him awake.
I assume the gun was destroyed some time ago.
Plus, shooting someone is theoretically easier psychologically than cutting a throat.
Mohinder has been the subject of brutal torture. He's terrified of Sylar. All he's been thinking of for days is probably escape.
He's also in shock from seeing Peter die.
So, he gets the chance to escape and he takes it, and he won't let Sylar eat Peter's brain and get even more powerful.

By the way, would that have been a bad thing? If Sylar got Peter's power, he wouldn't have to kill anyone else - though he might just for fun.

[Nathan Caroland]

So is Peter dead as in finished finally dead or just going to be back when the healing starts up?

[Duende]

*spoiler alert*

No, he was good and dead for a little while, until Mohinder drug him back to his apartment where his mom and Claire were, and when Claire noticed the big shard of glass in the back of his head and pulled it out... Bingo! Peter is Lazurus!

:)

[vincegamer]

After Peter and Clair, you think they figured out that a spike to the brain shuts them down? And removal of the spike starts them up again.

p.s. Who else is burning with curiosity to know what Mom's power is?

[Nathan Caroland]

Mom as in Peter's mom?