Why?

[EricJ]

Ok, so I have golden demon plans on my brain (planning ahead for 06 for my first shot at one), and I was wondering why people are always so hush hush about their entries before the event. I was sort of thinking about starting a thread to post WIP's, get feedback, get ideas, etc...I thought it would be a big advantage to use all the help I can get.

I figure if anyone wants to steal my ideas and does them better than me, then they deserve to win. Also I don't think anyone here (other than Laszlo) would even think to go to the LA GD, so it wouldn't be much about comptetition. Is there any other reasons why I should stay closed mouth on my entries?

[Leopardpixie]

:tongue2: Hey mister, I'll steal your idea. And I'll see you at LA GD:nutkick:. But I wont be able to paint it as good as you. And it would take me years to paint it anyways. If i know that any one is going to go, maybe I'll go in 06. Went there in 04 and was totally board. I just wish that they held it closer to civilization.... I dont know why they call it LA GD... when its in Ontario. I HATE IT.... they should have it in Long Beach :wave: Just let me know

[ergman]

mmm, it's hard to say imo...I would speak of the experiences I know,i think there are lots of reasons...may be some are stupid...or logical...it depends..for example..a friend of mine, seems to be a bit superstitious..and doesn't show his minis before the GD, other friend, likes showing me the things he does and asking for advices,.

about stealing the idea...well, If I steal an idea..and I win something...personally I wouldn't feel winner...

may be some want to preserve the "surprise factor", although is quite stupid...when there are more than a hundred entries on a GD i think...

If I were going to take part on a GD...I probably wouldn't show or speak to anyone, but not for superstitions..not for idea stealing or surprise factor, just because, and may be is just another stupid reason to add to the list..because I would take the mini as a personal challenge,I say, don't want advices although i'm wrong, after the contest I'll see the mistakes... it's me and the mini. hope you get the idea :).

in conclusion...do whatever you think better..if you think you need advices...show it...if not..not...but don't steal...stealing..bad...thinking your own...good..jaja

[Nathan Caroland]

I think it would be neat to see progression myself, but at the same time, I can understand how some folks would want to keep things a bit close to the vest so to speak. Personally, I don't think it would matter a whole boat load really where it concerns someone like you, or Laszlo, because you both have your own unique styles and to be damn honest, the US GD's are mostly a joke when compared to the UK, French, Spanish .. etc.

Don't think it would be loads of competition for you, though it would be a nice accomplishment.

[Duende]

WHY?

BECAUSE.

:dance:

[EricJ]

Nathan, you were sort of thinking what I was, I thought the fun would be in sort of putting up a progression of entries, get feedback, make alterations, etc...up to the event.

I agree that the US competitions don't compair to Euro events, and some day I hope to head over there for vacation and to hit one or two of them, but maybe first I need to practice close to home, build some confidence so to speak :) I guess I sort of see something like this as sort of enhancing the learning experience, for me and hopefully others as well...if that makes sense.

[Nathan Caroland]

Makes perfect sense, and to be honest, it would be a bit of fun to tromp all over the US GD's and then head on over the the european ones and try your hand there. Nothing against the US folks, but honestly, there are very few in my opinion that can really hold a candle against the Europeans when it comes to this stuff.

Aggrivating as that is.

:usa2:

[EricJ]

it's true, the best in the US probably would have big troubles placing anywhere in a lot of those competitions...Which to me, makes it an extraordinarily fun challenge

I don't know if I ever can...but will be good fun giving it a shot one day :)

[EricJ]

LP, it would definately be fun to run into you down at the games day!!

[Duende]

Nothing against the US folks, but honestly, there are very few in my opinion that can really hold a candle against the Europeans when it comes to this stuff.


I think at Eric's level, he could give any European a run for the money. :usa2:

And to give a real answer to your original question, I think it's mostly that people don't show their entries before the "big day" for the surprise factor. And others for the other reasons mentioned.. don't want ideas stolen, superstitious, etc.

Why not start a poll about it over at the CMON foums (when they're up again). I'm sure there's many GD entrants that go there that could give thair opinion.

:damnmate:

[Drake Farstrider]

Go for it Eric. I for 1 would find it highly interesting to see what one goes through to create a masterpiece. :thumb:

[vincegamer]

Another reason I can think people would keep it secret is they don't want judges getting bored with it.
It's possible judges would overlook one they had been seeing for months online.
Of course the oposite may be true. They may be anxious to see in person the piece they've seen pics of in advance.
I don't know which is the more likely.

[Celtic Lilly]

I for one would like to see it!

[Mad Max]

Ok, so I have golden demon plans on my brain (planning ahead for 06 for my first shot at one), and I was wondering why people are always so hush hush about their entries before the event. I was sort of thinking about starting a thread to post WIP's, get feedback, get ideas, etc...I thought it would be a big advantage to use all the help I can get.

I figure if anyone wants to steal my ideas and does them better than me, then they deserve to win. Also I don't think anyone here (other than Laszlo) would even think to go to the LA GD, so it wouldn't be much about comptetition. Is there any other reasons why I should stay closed mouth on my entries?

Well, it's a mix of everything. Some people want the "gosh wow!" factor of having a new entry which *hasn't* been up on CMON for 6 months. Some do concern themselves about idea theft (I know of at least one major argument between "name" painters because of this.) I'm usually painting entries up until the last second (who has time for critiques?!?) And frankly it also saves the embrassment if you don't finish your entry (not that I know *anyone* who's ever done that. Nope, nosiree....)

Personally I go for the gosh-wow factor, though I do have friends I share with. Stupidly enough my wife is my closest confidant in many ways. I'm lucky to have her. She's an artist so I can ask her for color and composition critiques. (Without worrying someone will "steal" my ideas!!! :listen: :laugh: )

Later,
Laszlo

[Drake Farstrider]

Well there is something to be said for that WOW factor. Especially if you are a judge, but as we are not, I would again say go for it.

[green stuff]

Wow, how did I miss this thread ???

I won't add on what has already been said on the surprise factor and not getting one's ideas stollen. What I can say though is that if you look carefully on some of the lesser known french forums or on the articles that summarize events you'll often see the futur GD FR entries. I saw Allan's Genestealer Patriarch in Fimo mode two months before GD FR in a convention. The top painters actually show their entries a lot to get feedback but they do this in a circle of people who have their confidence.

Kaple, Jakob, and others also post WIPs on their own sites or forums.

In fact it might be more a question of not showing the final version too much in advance IMHO. Kind of what you did Eric for your Dragyri a while back. You had us all drooling on her with your WIP, and then you posted the final version with the water ... thump, thump, thump ... our jaws dropped ;).

[Spacemunkie]

You'll win a Demon no probs Eric. Let's face it, you're one of the best in the US, so I would doubt whether showing people your entries would matter one little bit.

Personally, I think this would be more fun to win anyway! ;)

http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=10933

[green stuff]

Personally, I think this would be more fun to win anyway! ;)
And worth more money ;). But is the miniature worth the paint? I find the design quite bland. I mean how many other skimpy clad ladies can be found in the miniature catalogs?

[supervike]

I can't wait until Klute paints that one...

[EricJ]

I think it would be near impossible to get a 9.5+ with that mini unless there is an amazing base or other feature which would make it stand out, unless there is some vote cheeting.

9.5's are amazingly hard, and usually require a combination of a lot of factors. And commonly available, unconverted minis are usually not one of those factors...I mean look at reaper minis, they've have 100's of minis a month go up on cmon, and only 1 ever has gotten better than 9.5.

Cedric, I think you've written a lot of what I was thinking. That it isn't really the best idea to put the WIP's up on huge forums like CMON, but so far this forum has been shaping up to be a nice community with a ton of very tallented people. Seems like a good place for it.

And I'm making good progress on my first entry, perhaps after the weekend I can give a first WIP of the conversion, it's shaping up to be quite a project...

[Nathan Caroland]

That is a pretty good gimmick Ian has there, and an understandable one, though I think he is going to be able to hold onto that last $100 easily enough because that 9.5 is going to be hell to get and in the mean time, the miniatures will sell.

To get back on subject though, I pretty much agree with what Scott said, it likely isn't going to be a problem for you to pick up a GD or a Slayer Sword here in the US. I'm more interested in seeing what you can do over in the UK personally. That being said, I think if it was me, that I would perhaps stop just short of showing everything off before its finished, so that there is still some 'wow' factor should you want/need it for the contest.

Can't wait to see what you come up with.

[Ritual]

The first $100 is probably be doable (9.1 could be achieved), but I think 9.5 is difficult to achieve with that mini, unless you do a goddamn amazing base for it.

[EricJ]

I agree, 9.1 should be doable, I may try my hand at it, if I've nothing else on the table when it comes out...so a relatively small chance, lol :dancing2:

[green stuff]

And I'm making good progress on my first entry, perhaps after the weekend I can give a first WIP of the conversion, it's shaping up to be quite a project...
Cool :).

[supervike]

So, using his declining vote = declining prize money, I might have a chance to win $1.56!!!

Follow my logic here...

9.5=$200
9.1=$100
8.5=$50
8.1=$25
7.5=$12.50
7.1=$6.25
6.5=$3.125
6.1=$1.56

maybe I didn't understand the rules... :peace:

[anatora]

At those calculations, SV, I might :2: :driver: be in for $0.78. Not bad

[Jubilee]

I don't know anything about GD rules, but the GenCon painting contest states that the model you enter is supposed to be "untested" in the public arena, which includes posting pictures of it online. Maybe that is another reason people don't post pics? I'd check into that before you do anything disqualifying. :)

/ali

[green stuff]

Concerning GDs, you can post in advance anywhere. Or worse ... you can present again a mini that didn't win before (I find that SO boring).

But thanks for warning for other contests ;).

[praetorian0_1]

Ok, so I have golden demon plans on my brain (planning ahead for 06 for my first shot at one), and I was wondering why people are always so hush hush about their entries before the event. I was sort of thinking about starting a thread to post WIP's, get feedback, get ideas, etc...I thought it would be a big advantage to use all the help I can get.

I figure if anyone wants to steal my ideas and does them better than me, then they deserve to win. Also I don't think anyone here (other than Laszlo) would even think to go to the LA GD, so it wouldn't be much about comptetition. Is there any other reasons why I should stay closed mouth on my entries?

Plays that Stevie song, " Very superstiscious, wrtiting on the wall. Thirteen month old baby..."
I asked the same thing on CMON and basically got called an idiot, or seriously warned not to do it. Like as in " bad things" :nutkick:
will happen to me if I did post it up and talk about it lol. I never knew that painters were that superstiscious. Yeah, I know rules, rules, but still...
I'd love to give you my 2c on whatever you had. It'd be a cheap thrill for me at least to see a champ in the making.

[EricJ]

yeah, I saw your post and one of the reasons I really started wondering why...

But oh well, I posted a work in progress of one of my future entries now, and 12 hours later I seem to be alive still...not even any ghostly phone call telling me I'll die in a weeks time or anything...

[green stuff]

But oh well, I posted a work in progress of one of my future entries now, and 12 hours later I seem to be alive still...not even any ghostly phone call telling me I'll die in a weeks time or anything...
Ring ... ring ... ring :saint:

[EricJ]

hahaha, not funny! :boom:

[green stuff]

hahaha, not funny! :boom:
Sorry :creep: .

[Ritual]

I thought it was funny... :imsorry:

[EricJ]

I secretly thought it was funny too ;)

however I stand by the fact that the ring was scarey!

[praetorian0_1]

So is this like the Ring where you have to make a creepy recording of this post and make someone watch it within 7 days or croak ;(

[green stuff]

however I stand by the fact that the ring was scarey!
I haven't seen the first Ring, but the second was a major let down :(.

[praetorian0_1]

Man those two flicks aren't even in the same category. Cool Japanese/foreign influenced non-Hollywood v. schlock. It wil be a bit ruined by the fact you saw #2 first, but it will stand up in the acting/directing category still. It was mega scary and I don't scare easy in flicks. Wayyy more suspense.
So do ya have pics yet Eric or are you still in planning mode?

[green stuff]

@praetorian0_1 : have a look here ;) :

http://wyrd-games.net/showthread.php?p=3704#post3704

[EricJ]

yes, Ring 1 is about as spooked as any movie has made me in a long time, quite well done

never saw ring 2, I don't think I will...

As for the mini...she is now quite different than even the shots you see there, I ripped off those legs and am going the all self sculpted route on the lower body ;)

Not sure how well it's turning out yet...although I think in time I'll get it!

[EricJ]

oh, and cedric, I found a normal bulb for one of my lamps, and honestly that is the best thing ever, I never would have gotten this thing done having to wait until it cured normally!!

[green stuff]

@Eric : I'm happy it helped ;). Some even have miniature oven rigs with a tin can and a lamp, but then it gets mighty hot and you can easily burn yourself; not to mention also that you might burn down your house with such a thing :P.

[EricJ]

yeah, it cuts down waiting time at least in half, probably even more like to 1/3 of the normal waiting time, I think I'm happy with the light bulb, I don't need anything dangerous that starts fires with the cats I have around...you all know their destructive capabilities. :argh: